Where Do The Finns Come From?

Sydaby ^ | Christian Carpelan

[nordicstan]

MY GOD!

Does CNN know?

:)

[Jack Hammer]

Okay, are we finnished with all the cornball jokes now?

[dfwgator]

More than I want to know about ski jumpers.

Lot of good hockey players from Finland, too.

[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

I thought they were related to Hungarians.

According to the article, we are, but it doesn't explain how they got so far south. Since the Magyars didn't arrive until the second millenium AD, they could have come from the eastern Europe points of origin later, and moved in a more southely direction.

[lilylangtree]

And here my college prof taught that Genghis Kahn and his Mongols littered Europe with offspring.

[jdub]

My ex was 1/2 Finn, her mother 100%. Their eyes were more Asian than Western in shape, they thought it was because Ghengis Khan had made it to Finland.

But based solely on my experience, this article is way off base. Finns can only be the spawn of Satan, no other logical explanation exists for how that woman got to be the way she is!!!

[facedown]

Bump; ping.

[G8 Diplomat]

The Finnish language is related to Hungarian (though has changed much over time and they don't sound similar anymore). The Finnish, Hungarian, Sami, Samoyed, and Estonian languages all have their roots in Mongolian; they're all related to the language of the Mongols. So maybe the Finns have some of their origins from Mongolia? It's near eastern Siberia, as the article mentioned several times. Just a thought...

[G8 Diplomat]

That was very interesting.

Finns do look a bit different from their Scandinavian counterparts, and also different from Eastern Europeans. Though the language is related to Mongolian they don’t look Mongol or Asian at all. And not Slavic either. Finns generally seem to have broad, rectangular faces and it seems 9 times out of 10 blue eyes. Their hair is blond, but it’s more of a pale blond, not a golden-blond. Of course there are those who have brown hair and eyes, but the blond-blue is by far the more common phenotype. They may sound like they look like Swedes or Norwegians but they really don’t; the face shape is subtly different. It’s kinda hard to see unless you look for it.

As a hockey fan I know who the many Finnish players are in the NHL and I’m able to pick up on this. There are lots of Swedes too and the two do look different.

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[bobjam]

They’re basically mutts...like the Russians. The British are pretty much mutts too.

[AlexW]

“I thought they were related to Hungarians.”

Well, at least the language is related.
Living here in central Europe I am fascinated by the language anomalies of Hungarian and Romanian.
Both countries are surrounded by Slavic speaking countries,
but Romanian is a Latin language and Hungarian is said to be closest to Karelo-Finish.
Let me state, I am not an authority on linguistics, so I welcome more enlightenment.

[G8 Diplomat]

Selanne, Koivu, Jokinen, Kapanen, Timmonen, Numminen, Peltonen, Kiprusoff, Toivenen, and Lehtonen, just to name a few ;) LOL

[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

The Finnish, Hungarian, Sami, Samoyed, and Estonian languages all have their roots in Mongolian; they're all related to the language of the Mongols

Mongolian is an Altaic language. Finnish, Estonian, Sami, and Hungarian are Uralic languages. Some decades ago there was a conjectural Ural-Altaic language family, but more recently this theory has been pretty well abandoned.

[G8 Diplomat]

Hungarian is said to be closest to Karelo-Finish.

I dunno how different Karelo-Finnish is from regular Finnish, but Hungarian has changed so much over the years that it hardly sounds like Finnish. It could sound like Karelo-Finnish though, but not like regular. Estonian is the closest language to Finnish.

[G8 Diplomat]

Interesting, didn’t know that! Thanks for the tidbit.

[investigateworld]

Having lived amongst the Finns on the Oregon Coast, I can spot a Finn 9 times out of ten.
A hard working people, a bit different from run of the mill red-neck and good ‘ol boys thereabout, if I may say so.

[mrmargaritaville]

Can’t you feel ‘em circling honey
Can’t you feel them schooling around
You got

Finns to the left
Finns to the right

And you’re the only bait in town.

[dfwgator]

Surprised it took 38 posts.

[muawiyah]

The argument in the article is that the Fenno-Ughric languages are quite possibly of WESTERN origin, and spread East.

At the same time the very latest research detaches all 11 modern Sa'ami languages from the Fenno-Ughric sub-group for several reasons. One is that it can now be demonstrated that the so-called "German Loan Words" in Sa'ami actually originated in Sa'ami and were passed to the Germans at an early time.

Also, with 11 clearly identifiable Sa'ami languages (some of which are mutually incomprehensible to the others), it's pretty obvious the Sa'ami languages have been developing in isolation far before contact was made with the East.

The common vocabularies occur only for distinct bodies of technology or agriculture. The Sa'ami, of course, had no agriculture!

BTW, your basic Korean and Tibetan "red heads" must necessarily have a FAR WESTERN EUROPEAN origin ~ so that gives you a good idea where the Mongols got their languages.

Note, it was very common in ancient times for tribes to trade surplus girls for horses, pigs, cows, and other useful items. The result was the passage of both genes and words to other un-related tribes. Given enough time, those genes, and words, could make the trip all the way across Eurasia and back!