Posted on 09/26/2007 10:31:25 AM PDT by Salem
Indeed.
Bump
Remember how the Russians were in Iraq days weeks before the war? They were providing technical “know how” to the Iraqis. Yeah, we sliced through Iraq’s Russian-assisted military set up like a hot knife through butter.
My guess, as a former Navy bilge rat: we stood off the Syrian coast with F-117s (and maybe F-22s) before the raid. A few minutes later, without warning, the Syrians’ vaunted air-defense network sites began mysteriously blowing up, one site at a time. Once the bad guys’ AAD network was blown to pieces by JDAMs launched from our stealth platforms outside of Syrian airspace, the IAF strike team flew through the gaping hole in their coverage and struck the target. (Egress was over “friendly” territory Turkey to avoid any AAD we kight have missed.)
It’s just a guess, though.
Used to be air defense all over the USA. Old Nike sites are all around this town, and they are empty. Any air defense that is left is highly mobile and is for the single kamikaze attack such as terrorists might try. Even the ABM is intended only for a small ICBM attack such as Iran or N Kor might try, maybe ten warheads. The defense consists of the unstoppable retributive offensive capability that would blast any enemy and the top twenty feet of dirt of his home country to Mars after the cowardly sneak attack.
I’ve just got to ask this question: Who is Dr. Jack Wheeler?
I love the premise of the article, and I hope that it is true because that would be so sweet.
But who is Jack Wheeler?
Salem so how much vodka got Russians got from Syria just asking
That be funny if Vlady gave them Soviet era planes LOL!
A third is it was a hit on the stockpile of Saddam's chemical/bio weapons snuck out of Iraq and into Syria for safekeeping before the US invasion of April 2003.
Talk about an October Surprise!
Sure explains why they sent I’m-a-nut-job over here on a “charm offensive”. Too bad it failed, miserably. Unfortunately it failed because of the question about gays, not because of the Mullahs rabid anti Americanism.
Looks like Syria’s air defense system works about as well as our virtual border fence LOL.
I can see why if it really is broke, they don’t want to make a big issue out of it and confirm it’s broke. Odd the only country to complain has been NKorea. None of the Islamic states have stepped up ... silence. I wonder why?
The implications for Iran are huge. I wonder if they cut the check to pay for their system? If F15s got through, B1 and B2 ought to be easy.
Thus the Great Iranian Freak-Out
***Ooohh, it’s fun to read good news in the morning.
Maybe my tagline will come true.
We should withdraw from Iraq through Tehran. Heres how I think we should pull out of Iraq. Add one more front to the scenario below, which would be a classic amphibious beach landing from the south in Iran, and it becomes a strategic withdrawal from Iraq. And I think the guy who would pull it off is Duncan Hunter.
How to Stand Up to Iran
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1808220/posts?page=36#36
Posted by Kevmo to TomasUSMC
On News/Activism 03/28/2007 7:11:08 PM PDT · 36 of 36
Split Iraq up and get out
***The bold military move would be to mobilize FROM Iraq into Iran through Kurdistan and then sweep downward, meeting up with the forces that we pull FROM Afghanistan in a 2-pronged offensive. We would be destroying nuke facilities and building concrete fences along geo-political lines, separating warring tribes physically. At the end, we take our boys into Kurdistan, set up a couple of big military bases and stay awhile. We could invite the French, Swiss, Italians, Mozambiqans, Argentinians, Koreans, whoever is willing to be the police forces for the regions that we move through, and if the area gets too hot for these peacekeeper weenies we send in military units. Basically, it would be learning the lesson of Iraq and applying it.
15 rules for understanding the Middle East
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1774248/posts
Rule 8: Civil wars in the Arab world are rarely about ideas like liberalism vs. communism. They are about which tribe gets to rule. So, yes, Iraq is having a civil war as we once did. But there is no Abe Lincoln in this war. Its the South vs. the South.
Rule 10: Mideast civil wars end in one of three ways: a) like the U.S. civil war, with one side vanquishing the other; b) like the Cyprus civil war, with a hard partition and a wall dividing the parties; or c) like the Lebanon civil war, with a soft partition under an iron fist (Syria) that keeps everyone in line. Saddam used to be the iron fist in Iraq. Now it is us. If we dont want to play that role, Iraqs civil war will end with A or B.
Lets say my scenario above is what happens. Would that military mobilization qualify as a withdrawal from Iraq as well as Afghanistan? Then, when were all done and we set up bases in Kurdistan, it wouldnt really be Iraq, would it? It would be Kurdistan.
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I have posted in the past that I think the key to the strategy in the middle east is to start with an independent Kurdistan. If we engaged Iran in such a manner we might earn back the support of these windvane politicians and wussie voters who dont mind seeing a quick & victorious fight but hate seeing endless police action battles that dont secure a country.
I thought it would be cool for us to set up security for the Kurds on their southern border with Iraq, rewarding them for their bravery in defying Saddam Hussein. We put in some military bases there for, say, 20 years as part of the occupation of Iraq in their transition to democracy. We guarantee the autonomy of Iraqi Kurdistan as long as they dont engage with Turkey. But that doesnt say anything about engaging with Iranian Kurdistan. Within those 20 years the Kurds could have a secure and independent nation with expanding borders into Iran. After we close down the US bases, Kurdistan is on her own. But at least Kurdistan would be an independent nation with about half its territory carved out of Persia. If Turkey doesnt relinquish her claim on Turkish Kurdistan after that, it isnt our problem, its 2 of our allies fighting each other, one for independence and the other for regional primacy. I support democratic independence over a bullying arrogant minority.
The kurds are the closest thing we have to friends in that area. They fought against Saddam (got nerve-gassed), theyre fighting against Iran, they squabble with our so-called ally Turkey (who didnt allow Americans to operate in the north of Iraq this time around).
Its time for them to have their own country. They deserve it. They carve Kurdistan out of northern Iraq, northern Iran, and try to achieve some kind of autonomy in eastern Turkey. If Turkey gets angry, we let them know that there are consequences to turning your back on your friend when they need you. If the Turks want trouble, they can invade the Iraqi or Persian state of Kurdistan and kill americans to make their point. It wouldnt be a wise move for them, theyd get their backsides handed to them and have eastern Turkey carved out of their country as a result.
If such an act of betrayal to an ally means they get a thorn in their side, I would be happy with it. Its time for people who call themselves our allies to put up or shut up. The Kurds have been putting up and deserve to be rewarded with an autonomous and sovereign Kurdistan, borne out of the blood of their own patriots.
Should Turkey decide to make trouble with their Kurdish population, we would stay out of it, other than to guarantee sovereignty in the formerly Iranian and Iraqi portions of Kurdistan. When one of our allies wants to fight another of our allies, its a messy situation. If Turkey goes into the war on Irans side then they aint really our allies and thats the end of that.
I agree that its hard on troops and their families. We won the war 4 years ago. This aftermath is the nation builders and peacekeeper weenies realizing that they need to understand things like the 15 rules for understanding the Middle East
This was the strategic error that GWB committed. It was another brilliant military campaign but the followup should have been 4X as big. All those countries that dont agree with sending troups to fight a war should have been willing to send in policemen and nurses to set up infrastructure and repair the country.
What do you think we should do with Iraq?
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Posted by Kevmo to Blue Scourge
On News/Activism 12/12/2006 9:17:33 AM PST · 23 of 105
My original contention was that we should have approached the reluctant allies like the French to send in Police forces for the occupation after battle, since they were so unwilling to engage in the fighting. It was easy to see that wed need as many folks in police and nurses uniforms as we would in US Army unitorms in order to establish a democracy in the middle east. But, since we didnt follow that line of approach, we now have a civil war on our hands. If we were to set our sights again on the police/nurse approach, we might still be able to pull this one off. I think we won the war in Iraq; we just havent won the peace.
I also think we should simply divide the country. The Kurds deserve their own country, theyve proven to be good allies. We could work with them to carve out a section of Iraq, set their sights on carving some territory out of Iran, and then when theyre done with that, we can help negotiate with our other allies, the Turks, to secure Kurdish autonomy in what presently eastern Turkey.
That leaves the Sunnis and Shiites to divide up whats left. We would occupy the areas between the two warring factions. Also, the UN/US should occupy the oil-producing regions and parcel out the revenue according to whatever plan they come up with. That gives all the sides something to argue about rather than shooting at us.
That leaves Damascus for round II. The whole deal could be circumvented by Syria if they simply allow real inspections of the WOMD sites. And when I say real, I mean real the inspectors would have a small armor division that they could call on whenever they get held up by some local yocal who didnt get this months bribe. Hussein was an idiot to dismantle all of his WOMDs and then not let the inspectors in. If he had done so, hed still be in power, pulling Bushs chain.
Pong
How long before Senator Leahy leaks the workings of Israel and the US ability to avoid such detection?
BTTT
Noting that, even with the MSM constantly building up the abilities of these rogue regimes in the eyes of the American and Israeli people, our militaries, with a little brainpower and effort, summarily defeat the hurdles.
Although I certainly don't trust "in the arm of man," the U.S. and Israeli militaries are just super cool.
Russia is in this up to their necks. Iran is no more than a proxy of Russia.
...”Notice how far away Dayr az-Zawr is from Israel. An F15/16 attack there is not a tiptoe across the border, but a deep, deep penetration of Syrian airspace.”...
Of course, that is if the IAF went over the Med through Turkey and in. Could be that they went through Jordanian and Iraqi airspace, aided by US SOF to shut down Syrian air defenses. The Turkish incursion would be the diversion.
Perhaps US SOF were with Sayeret Matkal via 160th SOAR on the ground in Syria in a “dry run” for Iran. It’s coming, soon.
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