Posted on 09/26/2007 2:03:53 AM PDT by prisoner6
Does your husband work 12 hours shifts?
I never called your husband lazy.
Point is. Union workers have it made. They make near $30.00 an hour plus benefits to start and they don't have to produce. Then... when they don't produce what they are supposedly being paid to produce all they need to do is blame management.
I find it sad how Union Workers always talk about how much money the Corporation "makes" one year. Why don't you all talk about the billions they lose every other year?
Unions are a piraya that needs to be exterminated. These pirayas, while presumed good in the past, have now manifest to be nothing more than carnivorous free-loaders responsible for the destruction of millions of lives, hundreds of towns and cities and the end to thousands of good paying jobs and companies.
Unions need to go: PERIOD!!!
Sorry, you said I was lazy, but I’m not the GM worker. My husband is. :)
Because Honda, Nissan and Toyota makes a much better car for less money. The Cavalier as a rule was lucky to get 80K miles on it before the doors started to fall off and the engine or transmission needed to be rebuilt or replaced.
I think the UAW are tokin on a bit too much peyote if they honestly believe they can produce a car that competes with the Japanese. They have all become too self absorbed and lazy.
Of course... as always, this is JMHO.
While I see both of your viewpoints. I think there is plenty of blame to go around that does not go squarely on the Unions... GM hasn’t been exactly smart about all of this either...
Yes, but that's because they let so many of the older workers go with the buyouts and retirements that it was a brain drain of sorts. Now the more experienced workers have to work more hours. They did just cut some of that back so now they are only working 5 days a week 9 hour days, instead of 7 days a week and 12 hour days. There was some product that was in high demand.
He has a 1.5 hour round trip.
Huh? Our Cavaliers both made over 100,000K...one to 130,000. Maybe it’s the drivers.
Our Corsica, however, was a piece of crap.
Oh I disagree. I live in Tucson, AZ and I watched the same thing happen with the copper mines. The stupid Unions would hold the corporations hostage every 3 years for more money, more benefits, etc., etc. and so on and the Unions did not care that the price of copper was falling. So what did the copper mines do? They shut the doors. They moved their entire operations to South America and told the Unions to stuff it.
I believe GM is doing the same thing. GM does NOT need their automotive branch. They have diversified their holdings so much that they could shut the doors to all their automobile manufacturing plants around the world and still be one of the largest corporations on the planet. The only reason they don't, in my opinion, is because they honestly care about their employees. However, as a stock holder I say to hell with the ungrateful greedy jerks. I'm disappointed that once again GM is caving. I say put the Union Workers on the street with the real working men and women in this country. Let them find out what it is like to try to make a living without the aide of their daddies, mommies, uncles, cousins, etc. Let's see how they survive without their blacklists and corrupt politicians.
In my opinion all labor unions need to be outlawed.
You don't get it do you?
UAW workers produce s***! We don't want what they make any more. Until they pull their heads out and work for the good of the Big Three instead of themselves nothing they build is going to be worth a pot to piss in or the window to throw it out of.
Mohammad Ali used to say, "If you kill the body the head is bound to die." Well the UAW is effectively killing the automotive branches of GM, Ford and Chrysler.
I hope they are proud of themselves. They have only themselves to blame.
Well let me type real slow as well. When a company produces a product that nobody wants to buy then regardless of whether Jesus Christ Himself is producing it the company is going to lose money. Your claims that union workers automatically lead to shoddy products is not supported by independent evidence. The J.D. Powers figures for 2007 place Ford at the top in 5 of 19 segments and ties it with Honda and Toyota, non union manufacturers. But Ford is losing money and market share. Now how can that be due to the low quality workers?
Glad your Toyota works so well. Does it get good mileage?
That’s fine. Don’t buy UAW products, it’s a free country. Just don’t cry when they don’t buy products, services, or the taxes they pay disappears, later on
As I keep repeating, the UAW does not always equal lazy and/or Liberal, nor does all the blame for poor management sit on their shoulders. It’s a mixture of things.
Which is why 'Rats....
Yes. Yes it is, indeed. Good point. Which is probably why my grandfather refused to sign up for subsidies that he knew were immoral. He could not fathom getting paid not to work, nor to plow under perfectly good crops that God had given him.
If an auto worker signed-on with the promise of job security and good pay, why should he/she not expect it? Even if it is an extremely rosy outlook.
Again, surprisingly, we agree!
But I read a different writing on the wall. Union folks seem to assume that as long as CEOs and stockholders appear to make more money than the employees prefer, that the workers deserve more benefits.
I don't believe that. I see jobs just like products in my business. If a job creates a profit for someone else then there are at least TWO people that want that job to prosper. If the benefits of that job make its cost too risky for the investor/employer, if it's only a good deal for the employee, then the job goes away.
You say the Big 3 design crap cars, and don't give people value for the money, so it's their problem.
I think the UAW is fashioning an equally crappy product, and makes the workers/products at the non-union plants in America and around the world a better ROI.
My husband worked in Baltimore and drove to north of Philly everyday because of a job - he didn't blame anyone and didn't bitch about the company making money. He left when he found something better.
By the way, I have a family member who works in a large factory. 12 hour shifts are the norm but no union. They get treated poorly at times and different supervisors are better than others. Guess what? Anyone is free to leave and find a different job.
“Stupid unions . . . ungrateful greedy jerks . . . outlawed, etc., blah blah blah . . . “
Why, I don’t know what you mean.
Here is some "independent evidence" for you. I am a master mechanic. I love all GM products. I love all Ford products. I love all Daimler-Chrysler products.
Why do I like their products you ask? Because I am always having to FIX them. Just because the Unions have J.D.Powers in their back pocket doesn't mean diddily squat to me. If the Unions can buy Senators, Congressmen and Bill Clinton what in the world makes you think J.D.Powers or Consumer Reports are not also reaping the benefits of Union corruption?
When my customers ask me what type of car they should purchase I always tell them anything but a GM, Ford, Chrysler or Nissan (Nissans are nothing more than Japanese Fords in my opinion). Of course I tell them that if they really want to give me their money they can purchase one of those UAW products (the one common thread between the big three automakers I might ad) and I will continue to send them Christmas cards every year.
You read whatever report makes you feel good my friend. I look at the evidence in the junkyards. ;-)
My husband worked in Baltimore and drove to north of Philly everyday because of a job - he didn't blame anyone and didn't bitch about the company making money. He left when he found something better.
By the way, I have a family member who works in a large factory. 12 hour shifts are the norm but no union. They get treated poorly at times and different supervisors are better than others. Guess what? Anyone is free to leave and find a different job.
It's 1.5 hours ROUND trip. That's 45 minutes each way. Who's complaining? I was countering the LAZY AUTOWORKER COMMENT. Nor was I B******* about the company making money. I'm glad they're making money. I was just saying he was gone a long time each day so all concerned could make money. Are you in a bad mood, or what?
A person chooses to live where ever. Why should we choose to live in Wayne County and have our votes erased by Detroit? The drive is worth it, but does make the day longer.
Right, anyone is free to leave and find a different job or stay and sign-on with the Union. It's a free country.
Wow... were my eyes opened... These guys would go out for breakfast for about a good hour to an hour and a half, before they would go to their first site. By the time they would get to their first site, it was nearly ten o'clock in the morning... By the time 5 o'clock came around, they would have completed 3 or 4 orders, but the work order summary had probably 10 orders that day... But, the union contract dictated the hours worked, overtime, etc.. meanwhile the company loses money because of delayed orders, and other service issues... The company could not fire these individuals (union contract clauses again)... They did try to change various clauses in the contract when the contract was up... guess what...?? A strike... The workers wouldn't come back unless those clauses were back in... along with other ridiculous demands...
Toyotas are made in the UNITED STATES but nice try peddling the UAW's fearful propaganda. I for one would love to see our taxes go. Maybe you've missed my screen name but I do not believe in supporting freeloaders and their social programs.
One more thing. Perhaps you haven't noticed but the UNION'S memberships have been dropping like a lead balloon. I'm sure the United States will get along just fine without them.
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