Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Turning Oil into Salt - We must become independent — not just of imported oil, but of oil itself.
NRO ^ | September 25, 2007 | R. James Woolsey & Anne Korin

Posted on 09/26/2007 12:37:27 AM PDT by neverdem

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-78 next last
To: bilhosty
How do you produce the electricity to power the cars?

Have to produce an electric car that is as efficient and as cost effective as the internal combustion engine.

Have to produce the technology and the infrastructure to support that car.

Have to produce the electric car and the infrastructure to support it as cheaply and as efficiently as gas is now produced and supplied.

EVEN if you meet all those requirements you are decades from moving off an oil based economy.

We did not become an oil based economy over night, we will not cease to be an oil based economy over night.

41 posted on 09/26/2007 7:25:20 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (http://www.vetsforfreedom.org/)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: neverdem

We’ll never be off of oil.

It’s a near-perfect form of stored energy, and if it didn’t occur naturally, we’d have to invent it.
Everything that has been suggested to replace it presents real problems that dwarf the imaginary ones that the anti-oil clowns dream up.


42 posted on 09/26/2007 7:31:27 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: CutePuppy

GreenSpam needs to have his tongue cut out.


43 posted on 09/26/2007 7:33:06 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: djxu456
"a practical elecric car, would cut the ragheads out of the deal"

Putting aside the fact that an electric car cannot be practical nor dependable, just how might a car that can only use energy produced elsewhere put the ragheads out of the deal?

44 posted on 09/26/2007 7:37:01 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: bilhosty

Another feather-headed liberal dreamer!


45 posted on 09/26/2007 7:38:34 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: woofer
If you're worried about "wasted electricity",just remember that there is no "electricity" on the lines until a load is added, until then it's just "potential".

There is a flaw in that logic:
When you put a stepdown transformer into the circuit so that the juice can be used, then there are large thermal losses when a large part of the capacity is unused.

46 posted on 09/26/2007 7:44:21 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: Old Professer
"3KW "

Are you sure?

47 posted on 09/26/2007 7:50:45 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: Alberta's Child
What people don't seem to understand is that nuclear power is an alternative energy source for generating electricity, not for powering vehicles and aircraft, manufacturing petrochemicals and lubricants, etc. (these are major uses of oil). Increasing the use of nuclear power will reduce our need for energy sources like coal and natural gas (these currently serve as major energy sources for electrical power generation), not oil.

But it can be replacement for imported oil. We have centuries worth of shale oil in Wyoming, Utah and Colorado. It take a lot of heat to crack the shale and extract the kerogen in the shale and turn it into a usable oil product. The heat would normally come from burning a percentage of your product in the cracking and distillation process. Nothing makes heat at a more economical price than nuclear power. Co-located shale oil production and nuclear power plants would be ideal. The nuclear power plant could make the high pressure high temperature steam for the shale oil plant. Any excess energy from the nuclear power plant could be used for electrical power generation.

There is only one problem. Every moon bat barking dog environmentalist wack job tree hugging left wing fool socialist radical with the total support of the democRAT party would oppose this.

I apologize for including the demoRATS in the list as that is actually redundant to the list.

48 posted on 09/26/2007 8:04:53 PM PDT by cpdiii (Roughneck, (Oil Field Trash and Proud of It) Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist, Iconoclast.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: MNJohnnie

When we run out of oil, we’ll develop the technology real fast.

Until then, let’s drill everywhere and anywhere, all across America!

Caribou love oil wells!


49 posted on 09/26/2007 8:33:33 PM PDT by airborne (Proud to be a conservative! Proud to support Duncan Hunter for President!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 40 | View Replies]

To: RinaseaofDs

to 30
in the US half of electricity come from coal,

higher percentage at night, when cars would be charged.

in the US VERy little electricity comes from oil.


50 posted on 09/26/2007 8:36:08 PM PDT by djxu456
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

To: editor-surveyor

to 44 WTF are you talking about?

electricity comes mainly from coal.
of which, the US has a lot


51 posted on 09/26/2007 8:38:18 PM PDT by djxu456
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 44 | View Replies]

To: cpdiii

I’m not sure I understand your rationale. In that case, the nuclear power would be replacing coal, not oil. This is what is happening up in northern Alberta, where the province has recently approved its first nuclear power plant to provide energy for oil sands extraction. The nuclear power is needed because there isn’t enough natural gas to run these operations economically.


52 posted on 09/27/2007 4:26:27 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 48 | View Replies]

To: Alberta's Child
I’m not sure I understand your rationale. In that case, the nuclear power would be replacing coal, not oil.

It would not replace oil. It would reduce the amount of oil we import The use of nuclear power to drive the extraction process of the oil shale would decrease the amount energy needed from oil or gas products to get the oil out of the shale. Basically it would increase the percentage of product from the process and thus reduce the needed oil imports.

I like coal also. We should also use it to produce oil products. It can be done using a modified Fischer-Tropsch process. Nuclear power is also ideal to drive this process as it needs high temperature to react.

53 posted on 09/27/2007 7:11:19 AM PDT by cpdiii (Roughneck, (Oil Field Trash and Proud of It) Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist, Iconoclast.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 52 | View Replies]

To: editor-surveyor

Dropped a few zeroes.


54 posted on 09/27/2007 7:21:49 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 47 | View Replies]

To: djxu456

I’m talking about the fact that the only effect that electric cars can have on anything is to limit the mobility and personal safety of it’s occupants. It cannot have any effect on any ragheads that are not reduced to driving one.


55 posted on 09/27/2007 8:33:27 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 51 | View Replies]

To: MNJohnnie
You show some imagination creativity and above all will power. This nation is more than capable of overcoming any hurdle that is put in front of it and will continue to do so in the future. It just has to make up its mind to do so.
It is a self defeating proposition for us to tell ourselves it ca’t be done. It obviously very important.
56 posted on 09/27/2007 8:50:55 AM PDT by bilhosty
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 41 | View Replies]

To: editor-surveyor
“Another feather-headed liberal dreamer!”

I am definitely not a liberal. But the rest of the attitude has always been used against the Wright Brothers, Henry Ford, Marconi, Ben Franklin, Christopher Columbus, Alexander Graham Bell, Morse you name them. if everybody had your attitude we would be living in the middle ages.

57 posted on 09/27/2007 8:55:53 AM PDT by bilhosty
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 45 | View Replies]

To: Alberta's Child

And this dude used to run the CIA !!


58 posted on 09/27/2007 9:02:37 AM PDT by wordsofearnest (Thompson-Hunter not Hunter Thompson.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: bilhosty

You apparently fail to realize that the ‘solution’ that you offer lacks a problem to solve, and carries with it great and vexing problems that far exceed any present oil delivery issues.


59 posted on 09/27/2007 9:41:04 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 57 | View Replies]

To: Alberta's Child

[One of the biggest myths in any discussion about this topic — and this myth gets perpetuated by the silly, asinine statements by many of our elected officials (including President Bush in a speech on this subject a while back) — is that nuclear power can somehow help the U.S. “overcome our addiction to Mideast oil.”]

The connection to the “myth” is more indirect than that. Many people use the shortage of electrical generating capacity as an argument against electric vehicles. So increasing the supply of cheap nuclear power would eliminate that particular argument against electric vehicles, and that would reduce the need for oil.

When people are contantly warned about brownouts and rolling blackouts due to excessive electrical demand, they are not receptive to the concept of electric vehicles placing additional demand on the grid.


60 posted on 09/27/2007 1:33:51 PM PDT by Kellis91789 (Liberals aren't atheists. They worship government -- including human sacrifices.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-78 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson