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"The War" (by Ken Burns) Part 3 of 7; Airing on PBS @ 7PM Central 9-24-07
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Posted on 09/25/2007 4:18:57 PM PDT by VOA

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To: mware

Hey!

Today we get almost 4000 deaths in five years.

Those poor bastards got 5000 deaths in the first few days!

??What is it that today’s folks don’t understand about war??


81 posted on 09/25/2007 8:47:18 PM PDT by aShepard
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To: Archie Bunker on steroids

I am holding my breath about Part 4.
After this evening, I won’t be shocked if Burns doesn’t spend time
asking why Ike didn’t institute an affirmative-action plan so that
more “soldiers of color” could have been KIA on D-Day.

All I know is that having John Hope Franklin was a turnoff, at least
for me.
I’ve seen him in a couple of documentaries.
And each times he’s always on the tangent of how he was mistreated
(and he was).
What I dislike is he’s basically made a great career out of non-stop griping.
I’m glad I never had him as a Professor.


82 posted on 09/25/2007 8:54:03 PM PDT by VOA
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To: aShepard

“??What is it that today’s folks don’t understand about war??”

How incredibly lucky and spoiled they are.

Occassionally when I and male relatives my age get to
b-tchin’ about
the cost of gas, the New York Times, etc.,
one of us will say “BUT, we never had to go to war like WWII or
Vietnam thanks to our age”.

I think most of today’s “brats” don’t get that sort of attitude.


83 posted on 09/25/2007 8:58:29 PM PDT by VOA
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To: VOA
I just caught the Anzio & Cassino segment.....Anzio being an early air power case study on how lack of centralized control of air assets screwed our guys.

This entire documentary reminds me of Bradley's "Fly Boys" where one has to sift through the hate America crap to find good history. I guess one is not permitted to produce anything about American history these days without reminding us about all of the social evils of the times...kind of like throwing the baby out with the bathwater if you ask me.

84 posted on 09/25/2007 9:13:20 PM PDT by Archie Bunker on steroids (Hillary Supporters ....... Fags and Hags)
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To: VOA

...............I think most of today’s “brats” don’t get that sort of attitude..............

Right on,

But Pelosi, Reid, Murtha, and many others of their age group should understand what war and US superiority are really all about.

??Why do they want this beautiful country to fail??
Is it hatred for Bush, hatred for the US, or a disgusting grab for misguided power??

Either way, Traitorous and dispicable!


85 posted on 09/25/2007 9:14:32 PM PDT by aShepard
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To: flaglady47

“What I’m finding interesting in a lot of the footage used in this
series, is how much of it was in color. Stuff I’ve never seen before,
such as landings on Islands in the Pacific, or on the beaches in Italy.”

Some might have also been used in a PBS documentary “The Perilous Fight”.

It’s been a couple of years since I saw it...and I may be confused,
but I think it even has some color footage of a nice picnic with a
bunch of happy All-American families...but it’s a meeting of something
like The American Bund (chilling thought).

One caveat: narration by Martin Sheen...but he does a good low-key job

Here’s the URL:
The Perilous Fight
http://www.pbs.org/perilousfight/


86 posted on 09/25/2007 9:30:56 PM PDT by VOA
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To: Archie Bunker on steroids

“...Bradley’s “Fly Boys” where one has to sift through the hate America
crap to find good history. “

I saw some of Bradley’s presentation of that book on BookTV (C-Span2; weekends).

About five minutes into the discussion he dug such a deep well of
political correctness...I switched channels.
What a disappointment.


87 posted on 09/25/2007 9:33:19 PM PDT by VOA
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To: VOA

He blamed the behavior of the Japanese on us and the west. He then provided a summary of our past wars and highlighted all of the unethical things some of our troops did and painted them as the norm. He should be hung.


88 posted on 09/25/2007 9:43:37 PM PDT by Archie Bunker on steroids (Hillary Supporters ....... Fags and Hags)
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To: VOA

“Here’s the URL:
The Perilous Fight
http://www.pbs.org/perilousfight/";

Thanks. I’m bookmarking it right now.


89 posted on 09/25/2007 10:13:23 PM PDT by flaglady47 (Thinking out loud while grinding teeth in political frustration)
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To: mware

I agree....they got Inoye in there.....they could have countered it with Bob Dole. I distinctly remember hearing an interview with Burns on CSpan where he said this was done with ONLY regular guys.....Inoye seems to be the exception.


90 posted on 09/25/2007 10:41:39 PM PDT by goodnesswins (Being Challenged Builds Character! Being Coddled Destroys Character!)
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To: VOA

Left out the Jimmy Dolittle raid on Japan in early 42. Unforgivable for a WWII Documetary. Guess he had to make room for the PC stuff.


91 posted on 09/26/2007 3:13:59 AM PDT by truthguy
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To: Master of Orion

“How many times do we have to see the Colored Only drinking fountain? I’ve counted about 4 times so far.”

Well I’m sure there’s plenty more to come....gotta keep the pressure on don’t cha know....I dread hearing about the Tuskeegee Airmen....I expect that will be drilled into us repeatedly.


92 posted on 09/26/2007 4:40:24 AM PDT by STONEWALLS
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To: VOA

“What I dislike is he’s basically made a great career out of non-stop griping.
I’m glad I never had him as a Professor.”

....he has disciples in the field too....in college my daughter signed up for a course in WWII history....it was taught by an angry black woman.....the course turned into “the black experiance in WWII”...when it came time for course evaluation students felt duped and wrote that it should be listed under African-American Studies...that comment fell on deaf ears.


93 posted on 09/26/2007 4:47:38 AM PDT by STONEWALLS
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To: goodnesswins

“I agree....they got Inoye in there.....they could have countered it with Bob Dole.”

....exactly, or with any one of thousands of average GIs who fought with great courage and sacrifice....the backbone of the US Army has always been the white working class.


94 posted on 09/26/2007 4:55:57 AM PDT by STONEWALLS
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To: angcat; VOA
Keith David is an excellent actor... who I have enjoyed watching over the years:

Keith David IMDb Page

From... Delta Farce

95 posted on 09/26/2007 5:15:07 AM PDT by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: STONEWALLS

Glad to see I’m not the only one who felt the need to turn the channel last night. The “white guilt” syndrome began to bore me. 80% liberal hand wringing indeed. Think I’ll skip the rest of the social engineering series. My dads father was a Marine at Iwo, mothers father was with Monty’s 8th Army (2nd Chesire Regiment). I have a pretty good picture from them what went on at home and abroad. Doesn’t jive with what I’ve seen so far. They thought Britain and America were worth dying for and apologizing to no one over it.


96 posted on 09/26/2007 5:20:53 AM PDT by RightWingRadio
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To: Bender2

Good Morning,

I do not recognize his face.

He has been around!

But his voice I have heard before.


97 posted on 09/26/2007 5:23:47 AM PDT by angcat ("IF YOU DON'T STAND BEHIND OUR TROOPS, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO STAND IN FRONT OF THEM")
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

I’m sorry your dad died so young. My dad died at 75, but his life was hell. His sisters said he was never the same when he came back from the war. The jungle combat and the brutality of the Japanese soldiers left images he could not deal with. He drowned his nightmares with alcohol. He had severe emotional problems. I understand him better now. I wish I had known what he went through when he was still alive. I honored him by attending his battalion reunion - I only found out about it after he died - and there was only 8 guys there, but they shared stories with us. It was amazing. I wish I’d paid attention before.


98 posted on 09/26/2007 5:25:21 AM PDT by sneakers (This Pennsylvania gal supports DUNCAN HUNTER for President!)
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To: angcat

When I watched the tape of Episode #2 the other night, the voice was familiar to me, too, but only on the tip of my tongue. I checked the credits and when I saw his name, {Senior Moment slap to the forehead} I knew who he was!


99 posted on 09/26/2007 5:30:40 AM PDT by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: sneakers
The jungle combat and the brutality of the Japanese soldiers left
images he could not deal with.


When I was a youngster (late 1960s-early 1970s), my family would
provide tranportation to church for an older lady and her family.
Her husband didn't attend church, but he was at a number of
functions (e.g., July 4 picnics) where his family (and the family
of a married daughter who lived next door) were in attendance.

I suspect that in over 20-30 hours of being at these get-togethers,
I heard him utter only a couple of fragmentary sentences to
other adults. Although his long beard wasn't what you expected on
an older gent in Oklahoma, he didn't look like he was "disturbed"
or odd.

I found out later that he'd been a "tunnel-rat" in some of the
WWII Pacific island-hopping.
Apparently it did take a toll on him.
I didn't fully grasp it until I watched a History Channel documentary
about the Vietnam-era tunnel-rats.
100 posted on 09/26/2007 9:00:32 AM PDT by VOA
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