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Dobson Is Right About Giuliani
MensNewsDaily.com ^ | September 25, 2007 | Chuck Baldwin

Posted on 09/25/2007 12:45:14 PM PDT by RogerFGay

As a conservative Baptist pastor for more than thirty years and a former executive director for the Moral Majority, my roots in the Religious Right run pretty deep. However, over the last several years, I have become a consistent critic of the Religious Right, as faithful readers of this column already know.

The main objection I have with the Religious Right is they have (for the most part) given President George W. Bush (and the Republican Party in general) a complete and total pass. Over the past nearly seven years now, Bush and GOP leaders have betrayed most every principle that I ever understood the Religious Right to stand for. Yet, our national Christian leaders (and local pastors throughout America) have been content to look the other way and say nothing. Or worse yet, they have actually defended Bush's liberal, big-spending, anti-freedom, and unconstitutional ways. In a nutshell, for a seat at the king's table, the Religious Right sold out its principles.

Another criticism I have with our national Christian leaders is the seeming shallowness they display. About the only thing a Republican politician has to do to curry favor with our illustrious conservative Christian leaders is to say that they oppose abortion and homosexuality. Whether they actually mean it or intend to actually do anything about it after winning an election doesn't seem to matter to a tinker's dam, however. No, it is actually worse than that. Our Christian leaders do not even seem to understand how to deal with these issues in a constitutional republic.

For example, pro-life congressmen such as Ron Paul of Texas are not "acceptable" to many conservative Christians, because Paul actually wants to honor his oath of office to "support, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States," which means he is not prepared to cede to the federal government that which the Constitution has given to the states. This means that Paul understands that the proper way to handle the abortion issue is to pass a "Sanctity of Life" bill, which would recognize the personhood of all unborn babies (thereby giving them complete governmental protection under the law) and would exempt the issue from the jurisdiction of the Court. This would have the effect of immediately overturning Roe v. Wade and ending abortion-on-demand as we know it. However, not only did the entire Republican leadership in both houses of Congress and President George W. Bush not support Dr. Paul when he introduced such a bill, neither did the leaders of the Religious Right.

In fact, as a whole, the Religious Right continues to ignore Ron Paul's candidacy, even though he would probably be the best friend that conservative Christians ever had in the White House. Alas, however, there seems to be a giant disconnect in the thinking of many conservative Christians as to the primacy of constitutional government and how it relates to religious liberty. As a result, many conservative Christians continue to support big government policies, when they are promulgated by Republicans.

(Please see my column on this subject at http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/c2007/cbarchive_20070227.html )

Sadly, I cannot think of a prominent national conservative Christian leader who has dared to follow the courageous example of the prophet Nathan and say to King Bush, "Thou art the man." Instead, they have served as lackeys and doormats for President Bush. In doing so, they have lost much credibility, and dare I say, honor.

It even grieves me to say that should the presidential race next year come down to Hillary Clinton and Rudy Giuliani, many conservative Christians would support Giuliani. This is in spite of the fact that Giuliani is not only as bad as Clinton in virtually every area of significance, but, in many ways, is actually worse. Any Christian who would argue that his or her convictions would not allow them to vote for Clinton would have to turn around and surrender those very same convictions in order to vote for Giuliani. In other words, in a Clinton-Giuliani race, there is no "lesser of two evils."

Therefore, since I have been critical of the compromise of our Christian leaders, it is only fair that I would commend them when appropriate. Accordingly, I want to praise James Dobson's recent statements that he could not support either Rudy Giuliani, Fred Thompson, or John McCain (albeit I don't believe his rejection of Thompson and McCain are necessarily for the right reasons).

Regarding Giuliani, Dobson said, "I cannot, and will not, vote for Rudy Giuliani in 2008. It is an irrevocable decision. If given a Hobson's–Dobson's?–choice between him and Sens. Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama, I will either cast my ballot for an also-ran–or if worse comes to worst–not vote in a presidential election for the first time in my adult life. My conscience and my moral convictions will allow me to do nothing else."

Hooray! It is about time that some of our national conservative Christian leaders began telling the truth about these phony conservatives in the Republican Party. However, Dobson needs to keep going and list the liberal Mitt Romney, and also CFR member (along with Thompson), womanizer, and elitist Newt Gingrich as unacceptable candidates.

Giuliani is especially revolting. Dobson is right to say he will vote third party or not vote at all rather than vote for Giuliani. After my recent exposé on Giuliani (see http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/c2007/cbarchive_20070921.html ), numerous residents of New York City wrote me to express their agreement with my assertions.

I seldom reprint the responses of readers. However, one New Yorker wrote the following, which seemed to reflect the feelings of most every New Yorker who responded to my column:

"I lived in NYC for most of my life. Giuliani was the worst mayor the city has ever had. I and millions of New Yorkers [are] well aware of Giuliani's duplicitous, mean, autocratic, and just downright scary personality. His father was a small time mafia enforcer that did prison time. Rudy has many of his father's characteristics.

"Thank you for helping to expose this Hitler in waiting. As mayor of NYC, he trashed and spat upon people's rights, especially minorities. He inflamed and divided the peoples of NYC. He opened the city coffers to his corporate crony plunderers and left the city with a monumental deficit.

"Many New Yorkers have been blogging for years, trying to alert the people to this madman's dictatorial and corrupt ways. Thanks for your help."

This email response was typical of the many I received from New Yorkers.

It is high time for each and every one of us who claims to love freedom and liberty, who claims to appreciate our history and heritage, and who claims a desire to perpetuate a free and independent America for our posterity to stop promoting the insane "lesser of two evils" mantra and to start supporting only those men and women who have PROVEN they deserve our support, party or political label notwithstanding.

Dobson is right about Giuliani. I only wish he had been willing to tell the truth about one George W. Bush. Maybe then we would not be in the mess we are in today, because Bush is the precursor to Giuliani and Clinton. And those who supported and fawned over Dubya only waxed the skis for Giuliani and Clinton.



TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: chuckbaldwin; dobson; electionpresident; elections; fredthompson; giuliani; mccain; paulbearers; paulestinians; romney; ronpaul; scampi
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1 posted on 09/25/2007 12:45:15 PM PDT by RogerFGay
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To: RogerFGay
>>>>>Accordingly, I want to praise James Dobson's recent statements that he could not support ... Fred Thompson ...

Chuck Baldwin is as braindead as James Dobson.

2 posted on 09/25/2007 12:49:39 PM PDT by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: RogerFGay

Dobson is reaching too far. I will ignore his statements and make my own decision and vote for Fred Thompson. I have seen the others, and while Duncan Hunter and Tom Tancredo most match my philosophy, neither can win. Thompson is a compromise that I can live with. I CANNOT say that about any of the other GOP candidates.


3 posted on 09/25/2007 12:52:31 PM PDT by TommyDale (Never forget the Republicans who voted for illegal immigrant amnesty in 2007!)
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To: Reagan Man

So many temper tantrums, so little time.

Where exactly do these people live? These utopian bills and amendments they want can NEVER be passed in this society, yet they condemn those of us who want to use strategies that will make SOME progress.


4 posted on 09/25/2007 12:53:05 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Of the potential GOP front runners, FT has one of the better records on immigration.- NumbersUSA)
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To: RogerFGay
Over the past nearly seven years now, Bush and GOP leaders have betrayed most every principle that I ever understood the Religious Right to stand for.

I don't know about this. If there's something that Bush has done well, it is in issues that are dear to religious rights: anti-abortion, gay marriage, appointment of judges (especially SCOTUS), etc.

5 posted on 09/25/2007 12:55:16 PM PDT by paudio
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To: RogerFGay
His father was a small time mafia enforcer that did prison time. Rudy has many of his father's characteristics.

I dislike Rudy as much as anybody here but that statement is pure garbage.

6 posted on 09/25/2007 12:56:08 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: TommyDale

“Dobson is reaching too far. I will ignore his statements and make my own decision and vote for Fred Thompson. I have seen the others, and while Duncan Hunter and Tom Tancredo most match my philosophy, neither can win. Thompson is a compromise that I can live with. I CANNOT say that about any of the other GOP candidates.”

Why I like Tommy Dale!


7 posted on 09/25/2007 1:01:08 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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To: Graybeard58
I disagree! Just about the only true statement in the whole article. Look’s like conservative Baptist are just as divided as the rest of the country!
8 posted on 09/25/2007 1:01:20 PM PDT by Coldwater Creek
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To: RogerFGay

Baldwin is just a horse’s ass. I wish he would spend as much time attacking our real enemies as he has attacking those who who are on our side of the line.


9 posted on 09/25/2007 1:02:39 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: RogerFGay

>> Yet, our national Christian leaders (and local pastors throughout America) have been content to look the other way and say nothing. Or worse yet, they have actually defended Bush’s liberal, big-spending, anti-freedom, and unconstitutional ways.

I am Christian. I am conservative. And, I am as anti-big-government as any conservative here ... but I fail to see where Christianity has much to say about government spending. Though it may have input on the direction of government spending, it doesn’t seem to me that Christianity would be inherently anti-nanny-state.

Seen through the prism of the Religious Right - a group I find myself in agreement with on a great many issues - I fail to see where George W. Bush has not been a fine President. Yes - he’s spent too much, and I haven’t been in agreement with some of his domestic policies ... but I don’t see where they particularly conflict with Christianity.

H


10 posted on 09/25/2007 1:04:32 PM PDT by SnakeDoctor (How 'Bout Them Cowboys!!!)
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To: RogerFGay

His father was a small time mafia enforcer that did prison time.


I guess that should be the litmus test for all candidates; Did they show good judgment in choosing their relatives?


11 posted on 09/25/2007 1:04:42 PM PDT by crazyhorse691 (The faithful will keep their heads down, their powder dry and hammer at the enemies flanks.)
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To: RogerFGay

Is it true that Giuliani left a big debt in NYC? I thought he had erased the debt run up by previous administrations. I thought he slashed a lot of government jobs, saved hundreds of millions, and that’s why the libs hated him.


12 posted on 09/25/2007 1:08:02 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle ("Above all, shake your bum at Burton.")
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To: RogerFGay

Take a chill pill, Chuck. You’re not going to get the government you want till after the seventh vial of the seventh seal is poured out. In the meanwhile, we’re just doing what we can.


13 posted on 09/25/2007 1:11:55 PM PDT by Thudd (And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem , coming down from God out of heaven. Revelation 21:2)
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To: crazyhorse691

It will be unfortunate if Republican infighting allows Mrs. Bill Clinton to become President.


14 posted on 09/25/2007 1:12:50 PM PDT by karnage
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To: Hemorrhage
it doesn’t seem to me that Christianity would be inherently anti-nanny-state.

WOW! Do you need to go to school...

It absolutely is and should be. Did you ever wonder why the bigger the Nanny State, the more GODLESS the people/government.

15 posted on 09/25/2007 1:13:33 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: Coldwater Creek
Just about the only true statement in the whole article. Look’s like conservative Baptist are just as divided as the rest of the country!

Um, no. Rudy's dad was a small time crook, he was not in anyway, shape or form, tied to or associated with organized crime (i.e. the mafia).

The statement is factually untrue and if the author knows better, then also inherently dishonest.

16 posted on 09/25/2007 1:13:59 PM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: RogerFGay
Attention Chuckles the Clown Baldwin: If Satan himself is the opposing Hitlery in the general election, I will heartily cast my vote for him and drag 10 friends, relatives, and co-workers to the polls to do likewise. Any questions?
17 posted on 09/25/2007 1:16:43 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: Steve_Seattle
Is it true that Giuliani left a big debt in NYC? I thought he had erased the debt run up by previous administrations. I thought he slashed a lot of government jobs, saved hundreds of millions, and that’s why the libs hated him.

Its not exactly the way Rudy portrays it.

He left with a surplus, but also did a few budget games.

He didn't slash government, as much as slowed its growth (which is why Ed Koch gets to brag that he shrank city government more as mayor then any mayor that came after him, and almost all who came before him).

He did save the city an unbelievable amount of money, but he is very selective in his records, and was by no means a small gov conservative.

18 posted on 09/25/2007 1:17:23 PM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: Coldwater Creek

“”Look’s like conservative Baptist are just as divided as the rest of the country!””


What are you basing that on?

This guy is a Ron Paul weirdo, an ex Constitution party candidate for vice president himself.

>>”Charles O. “Chuck” Baldwin (born May 3, 1952) is an American political figure, activist within the Constitution Party, and pastor of Crossroad Baptist Church in Pensacola, Florida. He hosts a weekly radio show.

In the 2004 U.S. presidential election, Baldwin was Michael Peroutka’s running mate and candidate for Vice President of the United States. The two ran on a platform of “God, Family, and Republic.” A leader in the Moral Majority movement, the Peroutka/Baldwin campaign publicly spoke out against abortion rights,[2] women in the military,[3] and the War on Iraq.[4]
Baldwin is a staunch opponent of U.S. President George W. Bush.<<


19 posted on 09/25/2007 1:17:23 PM PDT by ansel12 (Proud father of a 10th Mountain veteran. Proud son of a WWII vet. Proud brother of vets.)
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To: RogerFGay

give the prez & pubs a complete and total pass? no, No, and a loud he** NO these people have NOT been given a free pass by the Religious Right. Apparently, the author doesn’t visit FR.


20 posted on 09/25/2007 1:18:26 PM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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