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I’m not with Bob on his personal comments, I’m trying really hard to ignore things people say about me personally, and deal with what I think are the facts here.

I haven't seen anyone insult you personally. On the other hand I, and others, have been on the receiving of insults AND lies. Disagreement is fine but I find no place for the other.

According to the testimony, after he was hit, he fell down, and then got up and limped away. That was repeated by pro-C/R posters in this thread, and nobody has refuted that.

This is not a US against THEM discussion. Many of us disagree on many points. In the case you cite, I suggest you pose the comment to the person who said that. From my reading of the testimony (which I just reviewed again), neither Compean nor Ramos said that he fell and got back up and limped away. In fact, Aldrete didn't say that either. Aldrete said he fell at the edge of the river, crawled through some bushes and fell three times while in the river--crossing on hands and knees. Ramos and Compean testified that he disappeared into the brush upon being shot and didn't see him again until someone spotted him on the other side of the Rio Grande, in Mexico.

So why didn’t the BP agents pursue him at that point?

It was mentioned multiple times that the Vega is dangerous, that you cannot see the threat due to the brush along the river, and that shots have even come from Mexico onto the U.S. side. Anyone going closer to the Vega, to pursue someone they believed to be armed and dangerous would have been a fool, IMO.

Don’t say because he was armed, because if they still perceived a threat, they would have told other agents arriving, plus Ramos said he turned back away from the guy after he got up limping, hardly the act of someone who thinks he just shot an armed man.

They turned back away when he was seen IN MEXICO! Not while he was on the north side of the river.

How hard would it be to catch a guy who had just run a few yards and was now limping with a bullet hole in his behind?

Again, no one saw him limping while on U.S. Territory, according to Ramos and Compean testimony. No one knew he was shot, according to Ramos and Compean testimony.

BTW, it is true it wasn’t the back, but that’s a misleading correction, as “back” means in this case facing away, not toward, the shooter.

IMO, "Back" is simply an inflammatory description that is working against Johnny Sutton's efforts at being credible. To "shoot someone in the back" paints a much different picture than "getting shot in the butt."

One real question is why neither Compean nor Ramos were able to positively ID Davila.

They were. The one who keeps saying that they couldn't is Johnny Sutton (another reason why he has no credibility, IMO.) Aldrete-Davila is the one who said he couldn't identify Ramos and Compean, even after being shown pictures of every Fabens border patrol agent!

Compean claimed Davila approached him through the canal and up the side, so he had a clear view of him. Ramos testified he turned toward him and pointed what looked like a gun at him. But neither could provide a description of the man later.

As far as I can tell, they were never ASKED to provide a description. I have seen nothing to support your contention that the couldn't.

If they had, it might have provided the evidence needed to ask for an arrest warrant. Without a positive ID, there was no way to show Davilas was even there — except for Davila’s own testimony, which he would never give without immunity.

Please show me any evidence that Compean or Ramos ever said that they could not recognize or identify Davila.

“It was mentioned multiple times that the Vega is dangerous, that you cannot see the threat due to the brush along the river, and that shots have even come from Mexico onto the U.S. side. Anyone going closer to the Vega, to pursue someone they believed to be armed and dangerous would have been a fool, IMO.”

This testimony is crucial to why the jury voted to convict and why they didn’t believe OVD was armed nor that the officers believed their lives were in danger at any point.

The defense spent a considerable amount of time establishing how dangerous the officers believed the vega area to be. An armed gunmen (as R&C testify they believed OAD to be) could hide in the bushes on the south side and pick off anyone on the north side while staying concealed, it’s what about 100-150 feet across?

Ramos testified that he shot at OAD, that he “dropped” into the bushes and then didn’t see him. They didn’t enter closer because OAD might have been hiding the bushes and could have shot them at any time. The did wait to see if he exited on the Mexico side because that would then tell them the “threat” was over and the area was secure.

So what do R&C do? Did they crouch for cover while waiting to see OAD again? Did they yell out to their fellow agents that OAD was armed, that he had pointed a gun at them and to not cross the ditch and climb to the top of the levee road where they would stick like a cherry on top a white cake? Did they ask for back up in case OAD decided to return and fire back upon the agents that tried to kill him?

No, Compean casually walked up to Ramos (who was 15-20 feet deeper into the vega) and stood there perfectly erect and making themselves the perfect target for the armed and dangerous OAD who they claimed had pointed a weapon at them. They said nothing, called out no alarms and did nothing to provide them any kind of cover against shots that may be fired from the south vega bushes.

Does this sound like the actions of agents who believed OAD was armed and that he posed a mortal threat to them and the other officers enough to try and kill him?

Everything R&C did screamed that OAD was not armed and that he posed no danger. Go on all you want about OAD, how he did another drug run later, how the judge wouldn’t allow this to be entered into the record and how it would have changed the course of the trial, but the fact is R&C were convicted on their own actions, their own testimony, their own lies and their own cover up.

All this hot air about what OAD did or didn’t do is a diversion from the central fact of the case that R&C were convicted by a jury of 12 peers of shooting at and hitting an unarmed suspect, who posed no danger to them or their fellow agents, he ran away from them.