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To: CharlesWayneCT
Oh, you could be refering to Ortiz-Hernandez' brother, Jose, who at one time told THIS now-known false story:

Yes. I was referring to witnesses as Cipriano Ortiz and Jose Ortiz.

Why do you say "THIS now-known false story"? It sounds like you have theorized it to be false but without more information, I will go with the Congressmen who have apparently viewed the documents and believe ther was a problem there.

179 posted on 09/26/2007 12:21:33 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: calcowgirl

I explained why it was known false. It was known false because the later story told by Cipriano was that Davila was delivering drugs to his stash house. The story Jose told was that Davila delivered the drugs to el paso, but that he had van trouble so Jose helpfully refered him to his “mechanic brother”.

In THAT story, the drugs were at his brother’s house by accident, because OVD left the van there, and the Ortiz brothers were not involved in any drug deals.

Yes, I have to make some inferences. This whole case requires us to use our brains, to think through possibilities, to weigh options, to determine who might be telling the truth or not, and more importantly to determine the truth from stories all of which may have some false or incorrect aspects.

I have no proof that some things are as the pro-R/C folks claim. OVD could have brought drugs to Ortiz’s house. I can’t prove he didn’t, nor do I want to prove he didn’t, because I’d love for someone to prove he DID so he could be thrown in jail.

But I don’t believe Sutton is supressing the evidence that would throw him in jail, just so he could help out his prosecution of R/C.

So, yes, knowing that Cipriano pled guilty, that he had OTHER drugs on his property both at the time and at other times, that there was a long-going investigation into his drug dealings, and that I see no evidence that Jose was charged with a crime, my belief is that Jose’s story about his brother being uninvolved in the drugs was false, and told to protect his brother.

And the fact that his own brother seems to tell a different story, one that matches the known evidence, makes me believe Cipriano rather than Jose.

And I put no value in their ability to identify Davila, because by the time of this incident, Davila was a publicly known figure who had his picture in the papers, and people knew about his medical condition.

He was a perfect patsy to use. However, he also could be guilty. That’s the problem — the story comes out the same either way.


192 posted on 09/26/2007 1:19:14 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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