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Heads up!! "The War" begins tonight on PBS
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Posted on 09/23/2007 8:54:51 AM PDT by submarinerswife

Edited on 09/23/2007 9:01:27 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

Premeires tonight at 8pm on PBS. 7 part series


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To: kidd
During last nights show they did a segment on Bing Crosby singing White Christmas. He told me there wasn't another christmas song that made him more sad than that one.

He so ached to be home when he heard it.

261 posted on 09/24/2007 5:07:11 PM PDT by mware (By all that you hold dear..on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!)
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To: Puppage

Daniel Inoye was in it.....isn’t he a politician?


262 posted on 09/24/2007 5:09:15 PM PDT by goodnesswins (Being Challenged Builds Character! Being Coddled Destroys Character!)
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To: submarinerswife

I’ve started a “Part 2” thread, in case posters find one thread to cover
all the comments/critiques on the whole series a bit insufficient.

If most folks stay here, this post will just be sure that any that post
to the second thread are easily found via this URL:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1901629/posts?page=1


263 posted on 09/24/2007 5:09:40 PM PDT by VOA
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To: Yorlik803
like the “ Bloodbucket” A PA National Guard unit that fought hard and was almost destroyed.

They were so named for their crimson-red, keystone-shaped insignia, which resembled a bucket of blood.


264 posted on 09/24/2007 5:12:09 PM PDT by Petronski (Congratulations Tribe! AL Central Champs)
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To: kabar

Plus Burns (represented by his stand in) will surely drone on about internment camps. I agree they weren’t right, but damn...keep it in perspective.


265 posted on 09/24/2007 5:19:43 PM PDT by Reagan79 (Ralph Stanley & The Clinch Mountain Boys)
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To: blu

That would be Luverne, Minnesota. Ya Sure. You Betcha. Uffda


266 posted on 09/24/2007 5:20:08 PM PDT by tundra1946
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To: SuziQ
Did y'all live on base?

My wife and I lived in the Seashore Manor Retirement Home. It was just off-base across the railroad tracks from the south base of the triangle area. The unattended gate was only opened during the day.

It was a Methodist affiliated community and they leased a percentage of apartments to young Air Force couples to keep the retirees involved and active. The sweet older women were also a great benefit for wives that were often away from their mothers for the first time.

They closed it last month due to the impact that Katrina had. It came through Hurricane Camille but Katrina blew air conditioning units into the rooms and broke windows. The Methodist Church decided that it to great a risk for frail elders to live there.

267 posted on 09/24/2007 5:20:41 PM PDT by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken)
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To: higgmeister

Caserine pass on now.


268 posted on 09/24/2007 5:22:09 PM PDT by ChadGore (VISUALIZE 62,041,268 Bush fans. We Vote.)
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To: kabar
In terms of the numbers, if the US had 130 million people prior to WWII and Latinos were 1.5%, that works out to 1,950,000 Latinos. If approximately half of them are women, that leaves about 1 million males of all ages. Even allowing the fact that some women served, I just don't buy the assertion that 500,000 American-Latinos served in uniform in WWII.

I think you're probably right. It looks like what someone's doing is taking the total number of troops (about 12 million) and dividing by the percentage of Latinos they think is in the population. But that figure changed over the years with immigration.

Something else that needs to be taken into account is that many Mexicans in the country then had children in Mexico, not in the US, so the number of draftable young men may not have been as high as one might think.

One caveat: in some states Latinos may have been numbered as White (or Indian or "Colored") so one can't wholly trust the figures of the time.

269 posted on 09/24/2007 5:23:40 PM PDT by x
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To: af_vet_rr
I believe the term ‘concentration camp’ was coined by the British during the Boer War.

Finding it difficult to combat an insurrection that had the support of the population, the British concentrated the civilian population in 'concentration camps,' and thus were able to isolate the Boer fighters and deprive them of civilian support.

About Ken Burns 'The War,' I thought it was okay, but not as good as his Civil War series. But then, I already knew a lot more about WWII than I did about the Civil War. I didn't learn anything during the first part. Thought the small hits at McArthur were interesting.

270 posted on 09/24/2007 5:38:11 PM PDT by FFranco
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To: maica

Don’t underestimate the suburban kids. Once they are toughened up by training. They have the advantage of better health care and nutrition than farm kids of seventy years ago.


271 posted on 09/24/2007 5:48:17 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: RobbyS

Actually the person on cspan discussing the greater than average number of Special Forces troops from rural backgrounds was talking about currently serving military forces.


272 posted on 09/24/2007 5:57:40 PM PDT by maica (America will be a hyperpower that's all hype and no power -- if we do not prevail in Iraq)
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To: maica

I agree with that. Family farms are not only economic and social enterprises, they also contribute to national defense.

Generally, farm boys do a lot of hunting, are used to moving through woods and fields, are strong, independent and hard working. A good friend of mine was a farm boy and was a platoon sergeant in Viet Nam. He was a paratrooper, ranger and a good, solid man who took care of his guys, though still lost some.


273 posted on 09/24/2007 6:01:17 PM PDT by FFranco
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To: FFranco
I believe the term ‘concentration camp’ was coined by the British during the Boer War.

When WW II began, the term was deemed neutral and bureaucratic. It did not become baleful until Hitler's camps were revealed at the end of the war.

274 posted on 09/24/2007 6:40:01 PM PDT by BlazingArizona
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To: VanDeKoik
I want the TRUTH of what happened back then. Anything less is a slap in the face to the people who went through it.

And even more importantly, the truth gives us perspective on what's happening today.

275 posted on 09/24/2007 6:44:19 PM PDT by BlazingArizona
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To: WL-law
The Battle of Midway got only the briefest description, about 20 seconds. Although Burns has a general disclaimer that he can’t cover everything, it seems odd to leave that out.

Yeah, it's like only the most important naval battle since the Spanish Armada. / sarcasm

276 posted on 09/24/2007 7:36:58 PM PDT by Tallguy (Climate is what you plan for, weather is what you get.)
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To: maica

Rural and small town folks are much more likely to go into the military.


277 posted on 09/24/2007 8:00:02 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: FFranco
Thought the small hits at McArthur were interesting.

Yeah, there was a lot of bitterness directed towards him at the beginning, and he deserved it - General Brereton had every right to be furious that a 100+ P-40s and B-17s were destroyed on the ground. I remember reading an article that Brereton was beside himself that MacArthur let all of those aircraft be destroyed - if I remember the article, something like 30+ of the 100+ aircraft that were destroyed on the ground were B-17s. Brereton wanted to start hitting Japanese shipping after Pearl Harbor was bombed with those bombers, and without permission to remove them, they were lost.

I've read that MacArthur was shocked with everything that happened at the beginning, but right after Pearl Harbor, he couldn't have been so shocked that he wouldn't see the logic in letting Brereton take the aircraft and either hit Japanese shipping or get them Australia.

I don't know that much about the ground side of things, but I've heard MacArthur referred to as "Dugout Doug" but I think that was unfair, given that FDR did order him out of harm's way.
278 posted on 09/24/2007 8:11:40 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: VOA
I found the first episode to be enlightening and fair-minded.

This series, alone, will be responsible for stirring Americans to their former glory. What better method than this real art to remind America of the threats presented by dictators and facists...and to ensure they brace for the coming war against the jihadis.

279 posted on 09/24/2007 8:39:34 PM PDT by Mariner
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To: Non-Sequitur
Well, can you point out the leftest leanings? And after one episode please point out the leftest leanings to date in The War.

The leftest always assumes that humanity can't be trusted to exist on its own without their social engineer's manipulations holding it in check. At multiple levels his viewpoint disagrees with my individuality.

He believes The Capitol is "the place our government works. It's the engine of democracy . . . ", and he immediately gets it fundamentally wrong. The United States is not a democracy. And government only drives a man to drink or suicide.

Liberals believe trade unions protect craft from corporate evil instead of the reality that they cause the destruction of industry, the economy and perpetrate criminal thuggery.

Liberals can't resist injecting their opinion into what should be only a history, with the intent to "adjust" future public opinion to their world view. I don't wish to visit the Enola Gay at the Steven F. Udvar-Hazy Center and be offended with a display moralizing about the evils of nuclear warfare such as almost happened fifteen years ago. I don't feel the need to watch a documentary of War that will only be more of that.

Your favorite general said, "War is Hell!" Any moralizing beyond that is a fool's mission and an exercise in futility.

280 posted on 09/24/2007 10:59:00 PM PDT by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken)
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