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To go green, live closer to work, report says [anti-"sprawl"crusade]
LA Times ^ | Sep 21 2007 | Margot Roosevelt

Posted on 09/21/2007 2:16:14 PM PDT by republicpictures

Don't want to fork out for a Prius? Can't see tanking up with ethanol? Can't afford solar panels for your roof?

Not to worry, you can still do something to fight global warming: Live closer to work.

That's one conclusion of a major national report published Thursday by the nonprofit Urban Land Institute.

...A hotly contested bill sponsored by Sen. Darrell Steinberg (D-Sacramento) would require regional planning groups to set targets for reducing greenhouse gases, and could stop millions of dollars in federal, state and local transportation funds from being spent on roads that could encourage sprawl.

...two-thirds of the structures in the U.S. in 2050 will have been built between now and then. Construction will include 89 million new or replaced homes, and 190 billion square feet of new offices, stores and institutions. If only 60% of that development is clustered in mixed-use, compact areas, it could slash greenhouse gas emissions from transportation by 7%, the report said.

...The California Chamber of Commerce and the California Building Industry Assn. declined to comment on the report, but James Burling, litigation director for the Pacific Legal Foundation, a conservative group that has battled environmentalists over land-use issues, dismissed "the latest anti-sprawl crusade based on global warming" as "no different from every other anti-sprawl campaign from Roman times to the present."

"So long as people ardently desire to live and raise children in detached homes with a bit of lawn, there is virtually nothing that government bureaucrats can do that will thwart that," he said.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: agw; suburbia; zoning
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To: Kozak

so, so true...

“But where are we going to put all the people?” they whine..

“Oh, about 10 miles from here.” I answer.


61 posted on 09/21/2007 3:44:53 PM PDT by TexanToTheCore (If it ain't Rugby or Bullriding, it's for girls.........................................)
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To: republicpictures
Living close to work is nice, but not always feasible or desirable. The town I work in is an old farming community. Lots are small and many are built on old clearcut fields. I don’t like looking out of my window and seeing 50 other houses around me. The town also sits in a wind tunnel (think venturi effect), so winters are bitterly cold when the wind blows. And the police are very overzealous. Combine that with an anti-growth mentality for business and it’s not a nice place to live. I live 14.5 miles away and the difference is enormous. Best of all, I live in a nice subdivision with one acre lots. People are friendly and houses are hundreds of feet apart. And it’s fully wooded, so you have plenty of privacy.
62 posted on 09/21/2007 3:50:22 PM PDT by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Democrats spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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To: JTHomes

“I’m not much of a greeny weeny, but I really don’t get why people tolerate such long commutes.”

I used to drive 1 hour and 15 minutes to work. By interstate, I could make it in 40 minutes. I took the long way down the Natchez Trace. Scenic beauty. No commercial traffic allowed. I saw turkey, deer, foxes, etc. every day. My state of mind was much better if I took that way.

Before that, I commuted and hour to Memphis every day.

Why didn’t I live closer? One word: crime. I’ll never live in a city again. I’ll just commute.

“I like my old neighborhood, with sidewalks and trees, where you don’t have to get in the car to go get ice cream or find a park or playground.”

I keep ice cream in the freezer and my backyard is my park. ;) Seriously though, I like a more rural atmosphere. That’s just my preferred place to live and I will gladly commute everyday to have it.


63 posted on 09/21/2007 3:53:37 PM PDT by L98Fiero (A fool who'll waste his life, God rest his guts.)
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To: republicpictures

My commute is unpredictable since I get dispatched all over the place.

Thing is enviros are crazy jealous of anyone owning land/ranch etc, so they want all land to be public and have humans squashed into Utopian Ec0-Villages...

Ever hear of U.N. Agenda21 ??


64 posted on 09/21/2007 3:56:18 PM PDT by biscuit jane
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To: republicpictures
Image hosted by Photobucket.com closer hell... sometimes 19 miles away isn't far enough.
65 posted on 09/21/2007 4:03:03 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist)
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To: republicpictures
"So long as people ardently desire to live and raise children in detached homes with a bit of lawn, there is virtually nothing that government bureaucrats can do that will thwart that," he said.

And may it always be so. God Bless America.

66 posted on 09/21/2007 4:17:01 PM PDT by upchuck (Psychiatrists have labeled George Bush's South-of-the-Border obsession as mexicosis. ~ firehat)
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To: republicpictures

You don’t tell me where you think I should live and I won’t tell you where you can go and I DON’T mean neighborhoods!!!


67 posted on 09/21/2007 4:25:31 PM PDT by cubreporter
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To: Owl_Eagle

Dude, what the hell are you talking about?


68 posted on 09/21/2007 4:33:22 PM PDT by RockinRight (Can we start calling Fred "44" now, please?)
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To: republicpictures

End zoning laws, and people would find the mix they wanted.

More efficient and hence better for the environment.


69 posted on 09/21/2007 4:37:40 PM PDT by secretagent
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To: republicpictures; All

TRANSLATION: CITIES NEED TAXPAYERS DENIED BY URBAN SPRAWL!!!!


70 posted on 09/21/2007 4:41:02 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA
"With modern communications technology, there’s no reason for most workers to be concentrated in large urban areas."

Right you are. The company I'm part-owner of is located in a rural area on a island in Puget Sound. The company facility is located on my partner's property. He has a 30 second commute by foot, I have a five minute commute by car (live on the same island). Our third partner isn't on the Island, but he's still only about five minutes away.

We have customers for our equipment all over the world. Production is in several contract shops around the US, with final assembly and test at our site. With phone and internet (email and webmeetings), we can handle pretty much anything. The most "face-to-face" we do is during initial customer contact.

It beats hell out of either living in or driving to Seattle.

71 posted on 09/21/2007 4:47:18 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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To: Hemorrhage
Welcome to FR.

Yes, there is a trade off for being close to a city (whether you work in the city, or not).

I know people who want to stay close to down town because of the city life but when it comes time to visit other couples they have to spend an hour driving out of town. Sometimes they don’t have a car because they never leave the city. They justify the higher living costs by not having a car (less freedom).

The worst are those people who move out to New Suburbia and then complain about the traffic, the lack of amenities (shopping malls & gas stations), and the lack of services.

NO2

74 posted on 09/21/2007 6:31:00 PM PDT by No2much3 (I did not ask for this user name, but I will keep it !)
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To: Normal4me

You are not commuting. As any contractor your clock starts when you leave. If your job is a little further away, then you build it into the price. You have to bid for the job based on your costs and the profit you are willing to make.

JMO,

NO2


75 posted on 09/21/2007 6:40:12 PM PDT by No2much3 (I did not ask for this user name, but I will keep it !)
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To: No2much3

That is true but the gist of the environazi’s is that everyone should be able to live close enough to work so they will not have to pollute the planet.

The point I was trying to make is that there are some of us who aren’t that fortunate.


76 posted on 09/21/2007 6:52:50 PM PDT by Normal4me
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To: -YYZ-

Bro, it is not that extreme. Nice try though.

I live on 19 acres in a four bedroom, three bath carbon footprint and am a half an hour from my office [inside the city].

For Liberals inside the bubble, this is a problem...for the rest of us...it is a joke.

Rule of logic that Liberals constantly break...you cannot speak from the specific to the general.

Just because it is a problem for some of them does not mean it is really a problem for everyone else.


77 posted on 09/22/2007 6:49:51 AM PDT by VaBthang4 ("He Who Watches Over Israel Will Neither Slumber Nor Sleep")
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To: TexanToTheCore
"Bureau of Land Management shows that 4.33 percent of our land is developed. What spraul?"

Thank you!

The same thing with Japan. All you hear is about how packed in they are....have you ever looked at Japan on Google Earth or Flash Earth? Unmolested land everywhere.

What a crock!

78 posted on 09/22/2007 6:53:53 AM PDT by VaBthang4 ("He Who Watches Over Israel Will Neither Slumber Nor Sleep")
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

The problem there is that small town life life is horrible. I did it for 10 years and it almost killed me. Give me the city any day.


79 posted on 09/22/2007 6:59:25 AM PDT by Melas (Offending stupid people since 1963)
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To: MediaMole

Great if you’re a desk jockey. What does everyone in retail, service, distribution, manufacturing, medicine...well you get the point.


80 posted on 09/22/2007 7:01:38 AM PDT by Melas (Offending stupid people since 1963)
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