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Green Berets face hearings on killing of a suspect in Afghan Village
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/18/us/18hearing.html?ex=1347768000&en=fbe8fba6c4e38e5c&ei=5124&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink ^ | september 18,2007 | Paul von Zielbauer

Posted on 09/21/2007 10:02:06 AM PDT by claymax

FORT BRAGG, N.C., Sept. 17 — From his position about 100 yards away, Master Sgt. Troy Anderson had a clear shot at the Afghan man standing outside a residential compound in a village near the Pakistan border last October. When Capt. Dave Staffel, the Special Forces officer in charge, gave the order to shoot, Sergeant Anderson fired a bullet into the man’s head, killing him. In June, Captain Staffel and Sergeant Anderson were charged with premeditated murder. On Tuesday, in a rare public examination of the rules that govern the actions of Special Operations troops in Afghanistan, a military hearing will convene at Fort Bragg to weigh the evidence against the two men, both Green Berets.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; courtmartial; davestaffel; fortbragg; murtha; oef; specialforces; specialops; troyanderson
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And this is why we are losing the war, thank god these morons were not around during WII or we would be speaking German now
1 posted on 09/21/2007 10:02:10 AM PDT by claymax
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To: claymax

Tell me about it! The Green Beret was in a bad situation in war.


2 posted on 09/21/2007 10:06:47 AM PDT by Ptarmigan (Bunnies=Sodomites)
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On Oct. 13, 2006, when Captain Staffel learned that Mr. Buntangyar could be found in a home near the village where his detachment was guarding a medical convoy, he ordered a seven-man team to investigate the tip.

Driving toward Ster Kalay in two government vans, the Americans called the Afghan national police and border patrol officers to assist them, Mr. Waple said. Mr. Buntangyar had already been “vetted as a target” by American commanders, as an enemy combatant who could be legally killed once he was positively identified, Mr. Waple said.

After the Afghan police called Mr. Buntangyar outside and twice asked him to identify himself, they signaled, using a prearranged hand gesture, to Sergeant Anderson, concealed with a rifle about 100 yards away, Mr. Waple said.


3 posted on 09/21/2007 10:09:04 AM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: claymax

The highest-ranking witness called to testify at the soldiers’ hearing Tuesday will be General Kearney, though it is unclear whether he will comply with the request.

Also scheduled to testify is Sgt. First Class Scott R. Haarer, a paralegal on General Kearney’s staff last October who, as part of the military justice procedure, signed the forms that charged Captain Staffel and Sergeant Anderson with murder.

In a notarized statement, Sergeant Haarer told defense lawyers last week that he would not have accused the soldiers of any crime if he had known that the Criminal Investigation Command had determined that the shooting was justified.


4 posted on 09/21/2007 10:10:27 AM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: claymax; RedRover; lilycicero; freema; Girlene
In an interview, Mr. Waple said that General Kearney proceeded with murder charges against the two soldiers even after an investigation by the Army’s Criminal Investigation Command concluded in April that the shooting had been “justifiable homicide.”

This doesn't sound good at all when a commander won't listen to the investigative service that clears the soldiers of wrong doing.

5 posted on 09/21/2007 10:11:53 AM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.com)
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General Frank H. Kearney should be stripped of his commission and tried for treason.

He is undermining the mission at the expense of our soldiers. He’s had an axe to grind regarding rules of engagement and excessive force even when official investigations show no wrongdoing.

It’s time for our CiC to do something about this so-called “general.”


6 posted on 09/21/2007 10:12:11 AM PDT by rock_lobsta (Doing my part to warm up the planet... Because Bikinis Beat Burkas!)
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But to the two-star general in charge of the Special Operations forces in Afghanistan at the time, Frank H. Kearney, who has since become a three-star general, the episode appeared to be an unauthorized, illegal killing. In June, after two military investigations, General Kearney moved to have murder charges brought against Captain Staffel and Sergeant Anderson..............The soldiers’ cases also highlight the level of scrutiny that General Kearney, who also ordered swift investigations into an elite Marine unit accused of killing Afghan civilians last March, has given to the actions of some of the most specialized and independent American troops fighting Taliban and insurgent forces along the border with Pakistan.

Mark Waple, a civilian lawyer representing Captain Staffel, said the charges against his client and Sergeant Anderson carry a whiff of “military politics.” In an interview, Mr. Waple said that General Kearney proceeded with murder charges against the two soldiers even after an investigation by the Army’s Criminal Investigation Command concluded in April that the shooting had been “justifiable homicide.”


7 posted on 09/21/2007 10:12:51 AM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: claymax

Let me just add this, I was referring to Murtha, General Kearney, Hillary, etc,. when I meant “thank god they were not around during WWII” Not our soldiers. Just posting that to clarify what I was referring to!


8 posted on 09/21/2007 10:14:13 AM PDT by claymax
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To: claymax

General Frank H. Kearney

9 posted on 09/21/2007 10:17:15 AM PDT by stinkerpot65 (Global warming is a Marxist lie.)
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This is the case you alerted me to that O’Reilly is covering. He said last night he was going to stay on it. Media coverage will help.


10 posted on 09/21/2007 10:17:44 AM PDT by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: claymax
We should have sent a battalion of lawyers instead.

An American Expat in Southeast Asia

11 posted on 09/21/2007 10:18:06 AM PDT by expatguy (Support Conservative Blogging - "An American Expat in Southeast Asia")
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This is ridiculous. I recall all the talk about how Bush was going to revitalize the demoralized military after eight years of Clinton. Letting the ignorant Leftist JAG’s f*ck the troops time and again, I conclude that things are worse now. If we’re not going to fight and win, then we should get the hell out.


12 posted on 09/21/2007 10:19:59 AM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Elections have consequences.)
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To: Ptarmigan

Sending our troops into a battle zone, then placing lawyers in charge, is a quick recipe for suicide.

Rules of engagement, my a**. Find the enemy, kill the enemy. Do this as many times as necessary, until the enemy surrenders.


13 posted on 09/21/2007 10:20:09 AM PDT by jim35 ("...when the lion and the lamb lie down together, ...we'd better damn sure be the lion")
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To: claymax

This guy was a bomb maker! Why are these two even being considered to stand trial?


15 posted on 09/21/2007 10:24:33 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Truth : Liberals :: Kryptonite : Superman)
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The soldiers’ cases also highlight the level of scrutiny that General Kearney, who also ordered swift investigations into an elite Marine unit accused of killing Afghan civilians last March,

I think it is clear this @sshole has an agenda. Prolly grooming himself to run as a democrat somewhere after retirement............

It is a statement to the courage of the kids joining and serving today that they have to bear the burden of this PC crap while staying alive and fighting a war. Micromanagement is what totally screwed us up in Viet Nam, and this dork is hard at it now.

16 posted on 09/21/2007 10:26:38 AM PDT by doorgunner69
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or we would be speaking German now

And, twice at that! (WWI)

17 posted on 09/21/2007 10:27:59 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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General Frank H. Kearney

He looks like every a$$hole I have ever met.

18 posted on 09/21/2007 10:29:07 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: stinkerpot65

I swear my Dad served with or under this guy. The name sounds familiar, the age is right, and jump wings.


19 posted on 09/21/2007 10:32:23 AM PDT by doodad
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This is why my son left the Corps.

And he is worried about being recalled - not because of the combat - been that and has the tshirt...the lawyers have him scared.

Just WTF?


20 posted on 09/21/2007 10:39:48 AM PDT by ASOC (Yeah, well, maybe - but can you *prove* it?)
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