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To: BlackElk
Ya know, you probably will find it strange that there was a very successful conservative movement with lots of really important issues before anyone even noticed the border with Mexico. In 2004, we got 45% of the Hispanic vote and (given the overwhelmingly Democrat lean of the Puerto Rican vote on the mainland, a probable majority of the Mexican vote. Given the advancement of bordermania since then there is little likelihood of a repeat any time soon but go ahead and obsess any way. After all, it’s a free country. Maybe paleoPaulie will save the US from Karl Rove! Not likely. Gandalf the Grey has a better shot.

I read your statement above and only shook my head in amazement. You obviously haven't a clue what has been occuring for the past 20 years.

It seems you require a little history lesson here.

You mentioned 1994. But it seems you failed to notice or listen to the warnings from those in the southwest that a violent, lawless invasion was upon us, and spreading fast. Yes, before 1994.

In 1994 the southwest was being choked off by millions of illegal alien invaders. It was and still is the big issue.

Tell me, did you ever hear of CA. Proposition 187, circa 1994? Reading your statement above, it seems you haven't.

Some back ground on 187:

Generally, this initiative would have prohibited state and local government agencies from providing publicly funded education, health care, welfare benefits, or social services to illegal aliens. The measure would have also required state and local agencies to report suspected illegal immigrants to the INS and certain state officials.

The people of California spoke loud and clear, voting overwhelmingly for the proposition. However, state government officials, working in concert with the Federal government burned the ballots declared this proposition illegal, after it won big by the voters.

Ya know, you probably will find it strange that there was a very successful conservative movement with lots of really important issues before anyone even noticed the border with Mexico. In 2004, we got 45% of the Hispanic vote...

Ya know, it seems after reading your statement, you were willing to sacrifice our sovereignty, our border security, our national security, all for a few votes.

Either that, or you just had not idea what was happening in this country back in the early 1990s.

Now lets fast forward about 15 years...Well, the results should be quite clear to most everyone...Maybe even you.

545 posted on 09/22/2007 1:30:23 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: dragnet2
I certainly have read the blatantly unconstitutional Prop 187. It was proposed by Planned Barrenhood Wilson when he was opportunistically running for re-election as governor of California. He was re-elected. Prop 187 passed which is no compliment to Americans, Californians or conservatives. Thereafter, the California GOP collapsed in ruins but why should Planned Barrenhood Wilson care. He was never going to be elected again once the GOP caught up with him.

Now, have YOU ever heard of the 14th Amendment to the United States Constitution? It distinguishes between the rights of citizens and the rights of those who are merely "persons" within the jurisdiction of the respective states. It REQUIRES that each state treat all persons within its jurisdiction as having EQUAL RIGHTS under the law. To translate for those in Rio Linda: if you want welfare state programs for your American citizen grandma, you are going to have to extend them to all "persons" within California's jurisdiction. In an amazing and unanticipated upset, a federal court in California proved capable of actually reading the constitution as Planned Barrenhood Wilson was unable to do and struck down his Prop 187.

Isn't the conservative position the one whereby the welfare state programs are abolished for everyone and not the one where categories of "persons" violative of the 14th Amendment are established to care for your granny but not the granny of Mexican non-citizens present here???

There has been an extended "conservative" temper tantrum now for more than a decade against "illegal" aliens (who are trying their best to replace50+ million murdered innocent babies in our economy and not replicating the views of the Junior league on social issues). Tell me about the successes in terms of policy and results and in terms of politics. That was short.

Conservatives are now being played for suckers on this issue and are all too eager to be played. The Demonrats get to reposition dangerously Republican-leaning Hispanics as being about as knee jerk Democrats in the future as blacks are percentagewise. That prevents the Hispanics from canceling out the Democrat stranglehold on blacks and gives them a second group perpetually upset at what, whether you like it or not, will be played as GOP "racism." I know, I know but your non-racism doesn't matter when you are perceived by the "victim" group as "racist."

OK, we lose the Hispanic vote which combined with the black vote makes up 25%. The Hispanics are a GROWING percentage of the electorate while the blacks are stable now at about 12%. We also lose some Catholic vote among people like some of my relatives who cherish the immigrant history of our families and really do not give a rat's patoot over whether immigrants come with the gummint's seal of approval. Most of my immigrant ancestors came here without such papers and so probably did most of yours.

We can make up for those losses, right??? We can attract feminazis and envirowhackos and gummint workers and antiwar antiAmerican losers and pacifists and abortion enthusiasts and entire lavender armies and people who favor legalizing sex orgies with space aliens. Remember with the unified opposition of blacks and Hispanics, we need 2/3 of the remaining votes to BREAK EVEN.

That is the future you are preparing. If you also support paleoPaulie (and IIRC you do have that shame on your record here), you also better teach your descendants to speak Arabic and to be able to quote (approvingly) every passage in the Koran with the heritage you are leaving them. Sharia "Law" would be a real shock to paleowindtunnels generally and to Libertoonians in particular.

No one, trust me, NO ONE is going to alter or repeal the 14th Amendment the Rosetta Stone and treasure chest of American liberalism.

My nearly forty year old college degree is magna cum laude in American History, thank you very much, topped by a doctorate in law. My are of NW Illinois has many Mexicans and they have proven to be good neighbors. You should get to know them. They want what your ancestors wanted.

Before you resort to "What part of 'illegal' don't I understand?", let's try: "What part of "unconstitutional don't YOU understand???"

560 posted on 09/23/2007 4:23:09 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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