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To: dragnet2
The WOT issue made me question Paul’s sincerity on other issues. But yes, the WOT is the breaking issue. Even if you oppose it in theory, you don’t defund our troops who are being shot at. Paul has made that the central theme of his campaign, telling me that is the most important issue to him, as it is to me. The problem with this is we are on polar opposite ends of the spectrum in regards to this.

I probably agree with 75% of Paul’s positions, but the 25% disagreement is a deal breaker. Most of the other issues I mentioned are simply to point out how Paul says one thing but does another, like border security. He complains nothing is being done but when given the opportunity to do something about it, he voted against putting the Guard on the border because part of the bill also said it was to support stopping drug runners and he is against anything to do with the WOD- (according to Paulites, I haven’t seen Paul say this.)

The WOD is another issue for me where I disagree, but that isn’t a major issue in this election.

163 posted on 09/20/2007 8:41:47 PM PDT by mnehring (Thompson/Hunter 08 -- Fred08.com - The adults have joined the race.)
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To: mnehrling

So our national borders have little to do with national security?


165 posted on 09/20/2007 8:44:35 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: mnehrling
The WOT issue made me question Paul’s sincerity on other issues. But yes, the WOT is the breaking issue. Even if you oppose it in theory, you don’t defund our troops who are being shot at. Paul has made that the central theme of his campaign, telling me that is the most important issue to him, as it is to me. The problem with this is we are on polar opposite ends of the spectrum in regards to this.

RP doesn't seem to be against the WOT, just the methods that are being employed. For example, he supported going into Afghanistan after OBL. He also wanted to put a price of $1 billion on OBL's head. To me, this is not isolationist. Here is RP's assessment of terror as a tactic, which I think is reasonable:

http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2005/cr071405.htm

The idea of a non-interventionist FP is anathema to many Republicans these days. It was to me, too, before I opened my mind to the possibilities. Ron Paul is a Big Stick diplomacy guy, reminding me a great deal of Teddy Roosevelt. Roosevelt was a peacemaker first and earned the US and the office of President great reputations in this regard.

The central theme of Paul's campaign is not defunding troops (nice hot button there), but dismantling extra-Constitutional powers of the federal government. I do not think for a minute that he would endanger our troops.

I probably agree with 75% of Paul’s positions, but the 25% disagreement is a deal breaker. Most of the other issues I mentioned are simply to point out how Paul says one thing but does another, like border security. He complains nothing is being done but when given the opportunity to do something about it, he voted against putting the Guard on the border because part of the bill also said it was to support stopping drug runners and he is against anything to do with the WOD

RP's apparent votes against border security make much more sense if one looks into his actual reasoning. Here's what he said about the Hunter amendment:

SPEECH OF
HON. RON PAUL
OF TEXAS
IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
FRIDAY, DECEMBER 16, 2005
The House in Committee of the Whole House on the State of the Union had under consideration the bill (H.R. 4437) to amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to strengthen enforcement of the immigration laws, to enhance border security, and for other purposes:

Mr. PAUL . Mr. Chairman, I rise with serious concerns over this legislation, which although it does address some illegal immigration problems is woefully weak on real substance. I fear that should this bill become law as is, six months or even a year down the road we will see no substantial improvement on the critical issue of deporting illegal aliens and protecting our borders. Some measures in the bill sound good, but are in effect superfluous. Do we need new legislation requiring the Department of Homeland Security to achieve ``operational control of the borders''? Shouldn't the federal government already have ``operational control of the borders''?
Here is a road map for real immigration reform. First we need better enforcement of the laws we've got--which plainly call for illegal immigrants to be arrested and deported and for our borders to be secure. These things are already law, but the executive branch over the past decades has failed to enforce them. Congress can pass any law it wants, but unless federal agencies enforce those laws they are meaningless.
Second we need to eliminate the two main magnets attracting illegal immigrants to illegally enter the country, the welfare magnet and the citizenship magnet. Failure to address these in an immigration bill raises questions about achieving real results. That is why I introduced three amendments to this bill, in the hopes that we can finally do something about the problem of illegal immigration. I introduced an amendment to end so-called ``birth-right citizenship,'' whereby anyone born on U.S. soil is automatically an American citizen. I introduced an amendment to end the practice of providing U.S. Social Security payments to non-U.S. citizens. And finally I introduced an amendment to prohibit illegal aliens from receiving food stamps, student loans, or other federally-provided assistance. Unfortunately, none of my amendments were even allowed to reach the Floor for a vote.
There are some elements of this new bill to be applauded. Measures to require detention of and expedited removal of aliens, for example, are a good step. Also to be applauded is the requirement for an additional 250 inspectors at U.S. ports of entry each year from 2007 through 2010, although this is unfortunately subject to the availability of funds. But overall this bill is a weak substitute for real immigration and border reform. As the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) says, H.R. 4437 ``treats some of the symptoms, it does not, in fact, do enough to actually cure the illness.

______________________________________________

So, RP is hardly squishy on the border issue, but has a well-reasoned position that does not encompass passing a bunch of new law.

369 posted on 09/21/2007 9:50:44 AM PDT by US at Risk
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