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To: Greg F; MissouriConservative
I cannot disagree more staunchly. The church abandoned her responsibilities to the government. LBJ's War on Poverty was the culmination of the social gospel movement.

How nice that American church didn't have to deal with those distasteful poor people! They could focus on important things like building grand cathedrals and growing mega churches and even sending missionaries to poor countries instead of dealing with the filth in our own streets...

I don't see a taxation clause in the church's mandate. The church, as a whole, has sold their collective souls for tax exempt status. The funny thing is churches are automatically tax exempt. You don't even need to file for 501c3 status. The only "advantage" to this is the protection of assets for church officials.

There are still many individuals and churches working in the field, but, as a whole, the Church has little authority left in a sphere that is rightfully hers.

1,228 posted on 09/25/2007 9:00:48 PM PDT by antidisestablishment (Our people perish through lack of wisdom, but they are content in their ignorance.)
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To: antidisestablishment

I see the church as having forgotten what we were told to do...be salt and light unto this world. The church, sometime in the mid 1950’s, lost something. It became fat and happy. The church turned inwards and settled itself to just being there. The church didn’t put up much of a fight and before it was too late ungodly men were being elected, rights were being stripped away and abominations were being discovered as “constitutional” rights.

You always here about the “silent” majority. It’s the “silent” part that has gotten us into this mess we see today.


1,239 posted on 09/25/2007 10:17:15 PM PDT by MissouriConservative (We accommodate other cultures at the expense of ours.)
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To: antidisestablishment

>LBJ’s War on Poverty was the culmination of the social gospel movement.
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Yes and no. And I suspect more no than yes! LBJ jiggered the tax code to try to keep preachers from talking about politics when he was a congressman because his local preachers spoke out against him, so I doubt he was religious. The left, from the out and out Marxists to the mushy hippie types to the social gospel type Christians were behind the great society programs, so I don’t think it was even mainly social gospel types that can be blamed for the programs.
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>They could focus on important things like building grand cathedrals and growing mega churches and even sending missionaries to poor countries instead of dealing with the filth in our own streets...
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I kind of agree with you here. I sort of wish American churches would support churches and people in San Francisco, New York, etc. rather than Haiti. But that’s a personal preference I think, not a Biblical one. I’ve had a few good Christians that I respect think I was sort of missing the point of evangelism and charity by wanting to focus close to home as opposed to anywhere else.
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>The funny thing is churches are automatically tax exempt. You don’t even need to file for 501c3 status. The only “advantage” to this is the protection of assets for church officials.
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I didn’t know this. So they are taking the incorporation to avoid personal liability, but it comes with government strings. Ugly.
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>There are still many individuals and churches working in the field, but, as a whole, the Church has little authority left in a sphere that is rightfully hers.
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Agreed.


1,249 posted on 09/26/2007 6:18:43 AM PDT by Greg F (Duncan Hunter is a good man.)
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