Posted on 09/19/2007 7:14:10 PM PDT by pissant
No Christian would fail to capitalize “Christian.”
Ever.
Who are/were you, newbie?
RWR was the president who brought the social conservatives to prominence. He wanted to amend the constitution to allow school prayer. He wanted to end abortion. He had no opinion on gay marriage because even 20 years ago it was a ridiculous notion. The notion that the social conservatives did not vote for Reagan is patently false.
I’m know he’s pro-life, I was being semi-sarcastic. I’m constantly surprised how others can hear the exact opposite of what I hear is being said.
It would be great to see a 1-2-3, A-B-C on abortion on marriage that no one could misconstrue.
..A lot of folks here must feel really threatened by the opinion of Dr.Dobson....
..they're twisting themselves into pretzels to condemn, insult, belittle him.
A sad day.
So, you didn’t like any of the social conservative organizations that organized the Values Voter Debate and now you don’t like Focus on the Family. So, I have to ask do you like any social conservatives? Why is it such a crime to you that we have positions and don’t support candidates who disagree with us on the issues that we care about. Isn’t that what politics is all about?
I hope you don’t think I was doing that. All I said is that I don’t pay him any attention, he is not of my denomination. Just like Billy Graham, I’m sure Dobson is a fine man, I just have never paid attention to what they say or preach.
No offense taken, and I disagree! You say that: “Your stance on federalism has limits when it comes to moral issues, something Mr. Madison (and the 10th Amendment) stated were issues for the separate and sovereign states.”
I have not seen Madison state that moral issues were for the states and non-moral issues (whatever they be) for the Federal government. Point me to the statement by Madison if it exists and I will eat crow.
The issue of Federalism is in one sense resolved by the protection of marriage being in the form of a Constitutional Amenmdment. The representatives of the people vote through Congress (a national action in Madison’s analysis in Federalist 39) and the States ratify (a federal action in the same reasoning). I don’t think that Madison would be against an amendment at the Federal level blocking homosexual marriage (if he could bring himself to imagine the country he loved in such a circumstance). In fact I have evidence of this:
American citizens are instrumental in carrying on a traffic in enslaved Africans, equally in violation of the laws of humanity and in defiance of those of their own country. The same just and benevolent motives which produced interdiction in force against this criminal conduct will doubtless be felt by Congress in devising further means of suppressing the evil.
— James Madison, State of the Union,1810
Also: [I]f slavery, as a national evil, is to be abolished, and it be just that it be done at the national expense, the amount of the expense is not a paramount consideration.
— James Madison, Letter to Robert J. Evans
If the moral evil of slavery could be opposed at the national level by the Congress . . . with Madison’s approval . . . your argument that moral issues are solely for the states to decide is in tatters, if you primarily rely upon Madison’s idea of federalism to support it.
So you think that Press and Buchanan are the voices of reason? ROTFL!
Your comment that “Dobson also wouldn’t give Jesus the time of day because he was poor and couldn’t donation to his organization” is ridiculous and libelous please back it up or retract it.
>>>>The notion that the social conservatives did not vote for Reagan is patently false.
I agree completely, but according to the new trend, had they disagreed with him on one issue, they would have sat home.
The vast majority of solid conservatives are social conservatives. Reagan, Jesse Helms, Jeff Sessions, Mike Pence, Duncan Hunter, Tom Tancredo, Etc, etc.
I don’t thing social conservatives will sit 2008 out, unless it’s Rudy who gets the nod. The rest of the guys all have pretty good track records. But the primary is another story. It’s gonna be brutal, like it always is.
Is the floor cold down at Dobson’s feet?
Yeah, but Fred opposes a constitutional amendment to make Abortion Illegal. This is the primary reason that social conservatives don’t trust him. So, I return the question to you - would you have supported a constitutional amendment to ban slavery? Or would you oppose it since it would violate states rights and legislate morality?
I will consider your points, carefully.
Sheeat, Jimbo, you don’t speak for me!
Actually if Giuliani became the Republican nominee I would be tempted to try and draft Dobson on a third party ticket. However, his complete lack of government experiance and his age probably would rule out any such idea. He is a man of absolute integrity and I do dearly wish that we had someone like him running for President.
Mr. Madison wrote Federalist 45, which I quoted in my original post
The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government, are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce; with which last the power of taxation will, for the most part, be connected. The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State.--Federalist 45
I would assume moral issues fall under 'ordinary course of affairs'. Well they have for the past 200 years at least...
You are NOT the voice of social conservatives!
This “we”, “us” and “our” of yours is a ruse to deflect from the fact that Fred is a principled Federalist.
As is Jim Robinson, the most trusted social conservative I know.
Keep spinning, newbie.
Please see my prior posts re: judgmentalism. Typical though for Dobsonites, who live by a mantra “You are not Christian enough for me!” But who cares, right” We strengthen families.
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