Posted on 09/18/2007 8:04:36 PM PDT by freedomdefender
“Christians are not sheep”
Well, we are just not in the context that you use. Our shepherd is mighty and carries no party identifier alongside His name.
I beat the Dallas Cowboys all by myself tonight. Those chickens didn’t show up, and I won 35 to nothing. It only took me 6 plays to score on each drive too.
First off, we aren’t backing Ron Paul to prevent that from happening.
The internal revolt against the Paulistinians is intense. The agents of surrender managed to sneak this thread in the middle of the night however.
During the day, it really sucks to be a Paulistinian on Freerepublic. They should get no comfort here on this forum. If you would like, I can add you to the "Paulistinian Ping" list.
BTW, love the TehRon name.
True, but we should be sheep to the ~right~ shepherd!
Yep, Democrats love the throw away vote like that.
Traditional stuff every election around here by mostly the libertarian types who love to benefit Democrats in the name of conservatism.
I think primaries would be the time for an attempt at the more conservative change, then once people are set as the nominee you have the real choice between the fire breathing communist Hillary and her socialized medicine, or the Republican.
The third party types are chump change that make liberals very happy because that lowers the votes for Republicans and can better get the liberal democrats in.
You have the right to help get Hillary elected if you wish, but don’t go around blind folded about what voting third party really means in elections where a lack of Republican vote can get the worst Democrat in.
Conservative third party voting in main elections ends up being passive support for the Democrat party.
Of course.
Only Paul should get the 'gotcha' questions because he can answer them.
Call me what you wish (helper of Democrats, etc): I am only advocating this for the Presidential election in this circumstance (not Congressional/Senatoral Elections)..I don’t think our nation can survive another liberal republican as POTUS (God bless our Pres, I think he has done some good. Judges, Tax-cuts, War on Terror, etc, yet I belive he as gone too far left for my tastes), We need a true Reaganite in as President (or none at all) because we CANNOT survive a liberal Republican; and I will not be taken for granted by the Elites in the Party@!
Guarantee I won’t vote for a liberal- a liberal=a liberal= a liberal whethere they have a (D), an (R) or anyother combination on their ticket. I don’t care if they are an (R) frankly the (R) is a tool, and when that tool becomes rusty you find/buy another one..~!
Your not helping the country survive if you do things that give Democrats power.
Your better off to try your best to get your republican nominee and then who ever it is you back them for President, if you don’t, we get the fire breathing communist Democrat.
Common sense has to rule the day.
Common sense also says that liberals=liberals whether they have an (R) or a (D) next to their name.. I am helping the nation if I choose not to support a liberal.
I agree with you most of the time that it is best to win the primary with the best conservative candidate..
but The ‘08 election is a special circumstance; I would contend! Our nation cannot surivive another liberal Republican, and not to mention that in the eyes of 90% of the voting population the Republican Candidate (Standard Bearer) is the Conservative candidate; He defines “Conservatism” for the next 4-8 years..and I would be doing a disservice to the nation, and to the cause to let this happen by supporting a liberal Republican Candidate for President. This would harm the cause, the nation, and make it less conservative; more liberal! I could care less about the Republican Party (partisanship), as long as Conservatism (Ronald Reagan brand of Conservatism) is advanced, whether support of it goes with it or not..!
BS my friend, 08 is a Presidential election year like ever other Presidential year.
If you want Hillary care, socialized medicine, to surrender the war on terror and to ruin the economy, then don’t vote for the Republican representative for President in 2008.
Anything else done but voting Republican in the main election is a vote for the far worse communist, surrendering liberal Democrat and you will also give them power to appoint some important judges. (Which would be insane)
That is the truthful bottom line of the facts.
Vote away from the Republican in he main election and you are in effect supporting Democrat rule and destruction.
Look at the logic and drop the emotions and it is simple logic.
Sure I am with you in not wanting less than the most conservative choice, but if WE feel in a primary to get that one in the Republican slot, there is no sense in shooting ourselves in the head by getting Democrats in.
It should be EVERYTHING you are against to get Democrats in.
Frankly, as I have said, I am not disloyal to America by not voting Republican for POTUS (if a liberal wins-really I have declared freedom from elitists); and I will not be a (R)- Footsoldier, to be taken for granted-no thanks -country-club Republicans, at least those whom aren’t RR Conservatives too!)- ((not saying you are one though))..
POTUS 08 is different because of the choices we have been given by the media and our party annointed -elites- candidates- NO THANKS; I prefer getting my candidate by ideas; conservative values, and real world-grass roots interaction..not soundbites, and big campaign donations, and media coverage..
I will not bow to the Republican Party -elites- and it this iteration of the Republican Party is destroyed; so be it.. Then maybe we can get along with the task of forming a Real Conservative party..and actually getting something done for once such as overturning Roe v. Wade, reigning-in-spending, actually reducing the size and power of the Federal government; winning the war-without worrying about PC sh8t, and protecting our Constitutional rights..
I don’t have to support a Republican- it seems you are owefully tied to the support for the Republican party (do you have a vested interest..just curious, not being acusatory or viscious to you).
BTW I dont think some of our supposed candidates ARE better than the democrats on some of the issues you listed; they would be worse or the same..plus as I said The REPUBLICAN POTUS becomes the standard bearer for “Conservative Values” to 90% of the nation-if that candidate is less than Conservative then the net effect is to move the country in a more liberal direction; no thanks, and for this simple reason I won’t support a liberal for President ‘08, whether R or D!
There is no logic to helping Democrats get power IMO.
You are going to participate in the 2008 version of Ross Perot again to help a Hillary get elected.
I don’t see anything gained by that.
Unless it galvinizes Conservative opposition to push for true Conservatism next time- not a mix “big-tent” of liberalism republicans-country clubism-neocons-paleocons-Reaganites/Goldwater cons-social cons-constitutionalist-etc that we have now!
I think you are mistaking power (which may be lost further) for the advancement of priciples and ideas.
Power should not be sought at ANY cost,..including the compromise of one’s principles; this would be far more dangerous, IMO.
Typical bad thinking that we saw in Perot voters as well.
Nothing new, screw the more conservative candidate because you don’t have the best candidate you like, causing the worst liberal Democrat to gain office.
Not a bright move in any case.
Judges
The war
Immigration
All on the table and will go in far worse directions if the Democrat wins over the Republican.
I don’t see any advancement, principles or smart ideas when it leads to helping Hillary Clinton get elected.
Sure, she’s give you a badge of honor for helping her, but that is about it IMO.
It’s not bad thinking when we have a candidate like Guilani or Romney becuase
A) It gives the elitists that put these people (as the “front runners”) increased power-
B) It defines conservatism for 90% of the nation (and Guliani, et all certainly aren’t conservative-thereby making the average joe (that may not believe in much of what they support go though a crisis of conscience when deciding to ‘reluctantly support’ them or not). I know many principled conservatives that simply will NOT support someone like that, or worse for the people that do not care- (Liberal) defines Conservative for them, thereby making the definition of conservative not truely Conservative Anymore, te average joe would then see liberal polities (that our “CandidateStarndard Bearer Represent”- The Left and The Media want this to pervert conservatism (and make the country into their image! It’s a classic communist tactic (or other subversive org): infiltrate your enemies, with liberalism, then we will have won by moving the fight to the “left” thereby having won by default!
C) It causes the elites in the party to take advantage of Christians (and other grass-roots activists) for their own power gain-one in which if they gained it (becuase WE now see that the vast majority of the “elites” in the Republican Party are not truely Principled Ronald Reagan Conservatives) they would WORK AGAINST the values/principles of the very people that put them in power! (And this is the most dangerous aspect of it-We have seen “inside” the hidden room, just a glimmer with the recent immigration debate!
As I asked before Do you have a vested interest in this fight (I will be friendly, and I am a Christian so I hate no one; I won’t persecute you if you are), yet I WANT you to answer this: Do you have a dog in this fight? Are you a republican party worker.. or a highly esteemed volunteer on someone’s camp?? It sure seems like you have a dog in this fight..
Anyway I lets also see you actually answer some of my points (and if you disagree; fine, but point out whey ‘I am wrong’ in your opinion) rather than going in ‘circles’ metaphorically, rhetorically!
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