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To: DieHard the Hunter
>>>>I would like to hear Japan say “sorry”.

So would I. But what incentive do they have to do that, when so many Americans buy Japanese products and trash American products? It's not like the Japanese are paying any price for their barbaric treatment of American POWs and allied civilians.

10 posted on 09/18/2007 3:59:04 PM PDT by Thorin ("I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.")
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To: Thorin

> But what incentive do they have to do that, when so many Americans buy Japanese products and trash American products?

Thorin, when you’re right, you’re right, do doubt about it.

The sad thing is, Americans taught ‘em all that they know about Quality. W Edwards Deming was an American, and he taught the Japanese all about TQM. And we keep buying Japanese product. By so doing, we rewarded bad behavior.

And we let the Japanese catch whales “for research purposes” just because they can, and because it makes GreenPeace mad. (Hint: the Japanese are researching Sushi, which we keep buying because it tastes nice).

There has been no natural consequence for their behavior before and during WW-II: and the atomic blasts at Nagasaki and Hiroshima were *not* a natural consequence, they were the only way to stop an out-of-control nation from carrying out an out-of-control process.

Nobody in Japan has said “sorry” yet. They should.


21 posted on 09/18/2007 4:08:53 PM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: Thorin
But what incentive do they have [to say they are "sorry"] when so many Americans buy Japanese products and trash American products? It's not like the Japanese are paying any price for their barbaric treatment of American POWs and allied civilians.

I suspect the reason for their behavior is strong Japanese nationalism and emphasis on social order that has no external source of moral authority. When Germany came out of WWII and realized what they had done there was national shame. Germans knew the difference between right and wrong but had looked away from what was going on. In contrast, Japan’s war shame was not due their brutality at all, it was in their loss of the war; it was rooted in their failure to be victorious. Why would a nation with such a mindset apologize to the victors? They wouldn’t; they would apologize to each other, and so they did. That mindset has not changed, nor can we expect it to.

I wonder what price you would have them pay, who would pay it and who would receive it? Unfortunately there are not that many people left who were directly involved. Would you have the old guy in Okinawa send some yen to an old guy in Seattle? At some point it simply devolves to the same issue as slave reparations. Regrettable, but a reasonable solution is not there IMO.

Lastly, I would be more than happy to buy a Ford or Chevy if they were not junk compared to Toyotas and Hondas. I have been loyal over many years and my loyalty has been severely taken advantage of. I have had enough. The last straw was when my Ford Crapstar caught on fire due to the speed control switch – a well known problem that has reportedly burned down homes and killed people. Ford told me that no recall had been issued on my minivan, so it was my problem. I could go on for quite a while on that vehicle. Or perhaps everyone would like to hear about my Ford Escort – so named, apparently because one dare not take it anywhere by itself. Designed with an interference engine and a timing belt rather than a chain, it was only a matter of time (and not much time, at that) before it destroyed itself. Again, Ford told me it was my problem not theirs. I can provide similar Chevy experiences – the Caprice with “crow checking” paint that began to flake off after only five years (not GMs problem). The hot #1 cylinder characteristic of the early 4.3L V6s (not GMs problem).

Are there people who have had great experiences with American cars of all makes and models? Of course. Are there people who have had bad experiences, similar to mine, with Japanese cars? Of course. But on the whole, people are buying Japanese vehicles because they are reliably made, and they are avoiding American cars because they are not. It hasn’t got a damn thing to do with providing an incentive for an apology from the progeny of those who perpetrated the war by the progeny of those who responded.

50 posted on 09/18/2007 5:23:31 PM PDT by 70times7 (Serving Free Republic's warped and obscure humor needs since 1999)
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To: Thorin
It's not like the Japanese are paying any price for their barbaric treatment of American POWs and allied civilians.

We dropped two bombs on their sorry ass. I'm willing to call it even.

133 posted on 11/04/2007 4:17:52 PM PST by Sir Gawain
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