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FYI - the question was addressed to Rudy who choose not to attend - there was of course silence! What else can you say to a person you would have killed.
This is what I like to see; however, what will we do about the fence and deporting the illegals.
Thank you to those that did attend.
No they didn't. The so called "value voters" do not represent me or the bulk of the conservative base. What a bunch of pretentious holier than thous. Value voters? I suppose no one but them has any values nor is concerned about values when voting. Some of the members of this group are questionable at best. The tone of this group, and of this post, is threatening. What a way to get people to agree with you.
People with "values" will definitely have an effect on the elections, but it won't be because of this narrow group or the constituency challenged candidates who showed up at their show.
“I predict the Values Voter Straw Poll will unify the pro-family movement and determine the nominee.”
And I predict that to depend on this and not concentrate on the getting the center to vote GOP will insure a loss in ‘08.
“1. I predict the Values Voter Straw Poll will unify the pro-family movement and determine the nominee.”
I predict the writers at WorldNetDaily have lost their damn minds if they actually believe this.
I already had my doubts about some of those (mostly the established RINOs) who did not show up. Now I have doubts about others who did not show.
...agreed. There will be no win without the support of social conservatives.
Pride goeth before a fall.
No conservative group has the right to demand that any candidate appear at any particular event.
There were no electable candidates in the "debate", and it's more than a year from election time. I believe that only one candidate has taken the right course, which is to recognize that more than a year and a half of campaigning is a waste of time and money. The bulk of voters do not even think seriously about their vote until about 6 months ahead of the election date.
Of those who participated in the "debate" you're referencing, if one or two of those are even still around by July 4, 2008, let alone the Sept. 1, 2008 Convention. I would be very surprised.
The money being wasted on the non-electables could have been better utilized if the field were narrowed to an electable candidate.
Election fatigue hurts the Republicans more than the Democrats, as the Democrats do nothing but pound the "Bush's Fault" drum in their campaigns, and that's what their voterbase wants to hear.
The MSM has been pounding that drum for 8 years (Bush lied, Halliburton, "we was robbed", etc., etc.).
If we were really powerful in the process Rino Rudy and Flip-Flop Mitt would not be top tier candidates.
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We can argue over what is and isn’t a value voter and how much or little they matter but what we should be talking about is the lack of values in our politicians’. Every year it’s the same thing over and over again. We end up with a democrat and a Republican who has moved a little to what they call the middle. Neither has kept many if any real core values.
If you think the "values voters" are the largest voting block in the nation, you are seriously mistaken.
The largest voting block in the general election is needy single females with no religious belief, followed by welfare recipients.
So-called "values voters" MAY be able to prevent the nomination of an electable Republican, although that's doubtful.
As far as determining the next President, don't be ridiculous.
Janet, bless her soul, is fooling herself.
Huckabee cannot possibly unite the Republican base. It simply can’t happen.
Translation: If you don't kiss our butt, we won't vote for you.
Nice 'value'.
actually I saw the debate and its production value was abysmal, a few of the kook candidates diminished the whole debate by their presense (ronpaul) and had no business there. (keys last minute addition to the circus)
If the debate had stripped the fouth tier candidates like ron paul and spent some money on a real production they MIGHT have had a fighting chance. Poor video, sound that was sounding like under water, and inconsistend audio quality did not help.
You felt bad for the second tier candidates that did show up.
A candidate forum that was missing half the GOP candidates, no one knew about, was on television, and isn’t getting reported on will have zero impact on the primaries and less on the general election.
Bump. Surprised there hasn’t been more discussion of the debate.
There’s a fine line between Values Voters...people who (like myself) have a moral background they live by, but realize that the government’s role in such things should be limited to what the Constitution allows, and the so-called “conservative” nanny-staters...and I wonder what group was represented here.