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To: wardaddy

My disagreement with slaves in Brazil being exponentially more common was with regard to the number of slaves at the time of emancipation, not the number imported over several centuries, on which you are correct.

Slaves in Brazil and the Caribbean were cheap, due to location and shipping costs. It was cheaper to work slaves to death and buy new ones than to keep them alive and breed children. This also tied in to primarily males being shipped to these areas, rather than both sexes as to North America, which was a lot farther away, making slaves more expensive.

Another factor was that the sugar plantation work was notoriously brutal labor, leading to high death rates among the slaves. Cotton and tobacco raising was not nearly as hard.

Also, whites in the sugar planting areas were usually in a distinct minority, leading to (justified) paranoia and unbelievable brutality to keep the majority under control.


85 posted on 09/19/2007 9:13:54 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan
that is all quite right....but I would also credit Anglo sensibilities for being a mite more benign in dealing with slaves than were the French, Spanish or Portugese for many reasons....rise of Protestantism..maybe although Protestantism in the south was pretty cool with slavery though in the north it fueled the abolitionists

Brit colonialism too was more benign and effective obviously than their contemporaries

folks like to blame climate too...lol...usually proposed by folks who haven’t lived in the Deep South which is Godawful hot and sticky 5 months of the year.

Sugar cane....a beast....still is. I’ve watched it manually harvested in Jamaica and West Palm County FL....very hard work...and hot...firing off the green in late summer heat has to be a mean job and then all the chopping

ironically I think in the US, it’s mostly Haitians and Jamaicans and Dominicans who do it

indeed slavery importation to Brasil was cheaper...so much closer to Portuguese West Africa and even some from Mozambique

likewise most of the Caribbean was closer too and a bit cheaper I’d guess though the slaves in Jamaica fared better than in Saint Dominigue for attitude reasons mentioned a second ago.

Yep....in the Caribbean they were terrified of slave uprisings especially after Haiti and the bloodletting there living up to their worst fears....likewise the Cape Verde revolts must have scared Brasil too.

I have lived and worked in Jamaica, Haiti, Brasil, and other former tropical slave sites and in Sierra Leone..an origin country. My ex wife is Brasilian and a former serious love was Jamaican although of the former slaver owning class admittedly both from Haiti and then fled to Jamaica in 1798. I am 6th generation Mississippian as well.

The legacy of slavery is a big part of my culture but differently than it would be for a black man of course but it’s no distant topic to me and neither blacks period the world over. They have been a major part of my social interaction for nearly 50 years although less so now since Nashville is not terribly black for the South so social interaction is more limited than in Mississippi or Alabama.

Slavery throughout history is a fascinating topic and one to be debated forever I guess but the attitudes ebb and flow.

It has only recently become so much less a common experience for most cultures.

I’m not sure of any world religion that condemns it though we surely do...and justifiably in today’s world particularly but it could come back and would most likely be the worst sort born of conquest.

The Chinese for example would have little qualms about it if they needed it to feed their teeming masses

100 posted on 09/19/2007 2:07:42 PM PDT by wardaddy (Pigpen lives!!!!)
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