Posted on 09/17/2007 5:58:58 AM PDT by gridlock
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I remember visiting the pre-Giuliani Manhattan. It was like one long episode of "Kojak." The professions then open to young New Yorkers were dealer, hood, hooker, junkie, pimp -- or bent cop. Yet by the time I moved to the city, not long after 9/11, the analysts outnumbered the psychos. "Kojak" had been replaced by "Seinfeld." A large share of the credit for that transformation belongs to Giuliani. His presidential bid is based on the notion that what worked for the world's capital city can work for the world.
America, Giuliani says, must remain "on offense" to win the "terrorists' global war on us." What, like George W. Bush? No, no, no, no, no. In common with nearly all the Republican candidates, Giuliani's hero of choice is Ronald Reagan. But he also makes a point of likening himself to Winston Churchill.
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Taken together, these (excerpted) challenges will sorely test whoever occupies the White House after Bush. Has Giuliani given any of them serious thought? Does he have any strategic vision beyond preventing another 9/11 (his nightmare, he says, is an Iranian-made dirty bomb "in London or Rome or America")?
Applied to cleaning up the mean streets of New York, Giuliani's offensive approach worked pretty well (though it eventually ended in overkill). How well it can work as foreign policy is another matter altogether.
(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...
Nial Ferguson spends the preceeding 600 words merrily setting up straw men and knocking them over. I was hard pressed to find anything worth excerpting, as required when posting from the LA Times.
I posted it primarily as a window into the mind of the anti-war electorate, where Rudy Giuliani’s biggest problem is that he will stand strong against those who want us dead.
I don’t post this to knock Rudy Giuliani. Far from it. If idiots like Niall Ferguson don’t like Giuliani, it makes me far more likely to support him.
Oh please. Such drama queen hysterics.
Got that little faith in America huh? If you believe that it's already over.
For crying out loud you sound like a mirror image of "Bush is Hitler" moonbats.
It took Carter to give us Reagan. It Took Bubba to get us Dubya.
I don't vote for liberal democrats just because they have an R after their name. It sanctions their liberalism.
Poorly written, poor thought out. Poorly veiled partisan desperation.
Crickets.
If it comes down to Rino Rudy and Hitlary I will vote third party.
Our current President is not much of a conservative -- though he looks conservative next to Rudy"I feel pretty" Giuliani.
I kind of like this part...
Asked recently about his religion, he gave a true New Yorker's answer: "I pray like a lawyer. I try to make a deal: 'Get me out of this jam and I'll start going back to church.' "
Rooty has no morals, zero scruples, and is a p-i-g
(I typed slow for all rudybots).
My point was that whether we should have known or not many of us THOUGHT he would be conservative. Rudy is guaranteed to not only NOT be conservative but very, very liberal.
Whoever is going to be elected President has got to be very good. They will be dealing in a post war environment and that is always very trying. If you look at the country after each war you will see it changed. Bush 41 and Winston Churchill found out the hard way. The next President will have to have his ear to the ground and see what is going on. He will have to be an activist because that is what America chooses after wars. After wars this country goes on crusades. prohibitionism, civil rights, anti-communism, internationalism, Free Soil, abolitionism, internationalism, isolationism. league of Nations-united Nations,reforming corrupt political machines,progressivism. That president cannot be a passive do nothing country clubber in the mode of a Bush. There are going to be risks and opportunities to pass our agendas. Some of the things we will want Will be dead on arrival and other things will be born anew. We need an activist and someone who is absolutely first rate and I think that person will be Giuliani. Country clubbers will be a disaster for us and the country.
“If it comes down to a choice between President Hillary or President Giuliani, it’s a no-brainer. Rudy might not be the optimum choice, but the country won’t survive if Hillary re-occupies 1600.”
I guess that depends on your perspective.
The country will go on no matter what. The GOP could certainly survive “any” Dem president. But the question is, could it survive “any” Republican president? Could it survive a blatantly liberal standardbearer. How many conservative planks of the GOP (abortion, gun rights, family values, etc) would be tossed overboard. How many members would leave in disgust? Would the platform of the GOP be rewritten and what would it look like?
The supporters of all the non-semiliberalGiuliani candidates will coalesce right quick about five months from now.
I still find it hard to believe that the Demrats are actually thinking of nominating either a one-term-plus Senator, a partial-term Senator, or a one-term (or is it partial-term?)former Senator. That's a 'leading field' with a pronounced 'lighter-than-air' problem.
The trouble with that perpective is that it is frozen in time and disassociated from reality. The Supreme Court reached out and claimed the abortion issue for itself in 1973, yet some have tried to make it a poresidential election camp;aign issue ever since. Actually, the president can do very little about it. I have been annoyed about this for 30 years, and it hasn’t done any good, I guess. Just know that this viewpoint is actually detrimental to the process.
The Dims are nominating Bill Clinton again, not just Hillary, and that is how they will run in the general.
You think the majority of Americans will turn down Billary Care? Turn down a chance to surrender in Iraq?
I seen no evidence of that claim.
In most ways that a president effects, Giuliani is far more conservative than Bush. In terms of fiscal responsibility, national security, and tax policy, Giuliani is fine. There is no doubt that confronted with the kind of pork laden spending bills that Bush routinely signed, Giuliani would do the fically responsible thing and veto them.
The fact of the matter is that Bush’s horrific performance on fiscal matters (as well as the Republican Congress’ fecklessness and corruption), his mismanagement of the war for three years, and his choice of stooges for key posts in his administration (remember Harriet Maiers? Alberto Gonzalez?)means that it is probable that Hillary will be President and the Dems will control Congress with a possible veto proof Senate.
There are many, many Republicans here in Iowa that have just had it with the party. They WILL vote for Hillary.
Hold on to your wallet, folks. Dark days appear to be ahead.
I started with a snip because this guy's writing is so poorly thought out, it was difficult to find anything to excerpt.
I am not trying to keep anything from anybody, believe me.
As for Rudy Giuliani's thinking on religion, he strikes me as being not all that far from typical, except he has the honesty to admit it.
I don't believe it.
Nobody could be that stupid.
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