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To: SampleMan

“That’s pitiful. Please don’t pretend to be an expert about subjects you don’t understand. It annoys us real experts.”

Didn’t know that Nukes and bloody great carriers were pitiful. I ‘spose the US is using space ships, powered by ion drives, and firing rail guns to take the fight to the enemy?

“Removing the SSBN’s, France’s navy isn’t capable of forcing the Straits of Hormuz. To say that their navy is powerful because it has nukes is silly.”

But thats the point isn’t it? We cant ‘remove’ the SSBN’s because they are there. What you’re saying is a hypothetical ‘if France didn’t have the SSBN’s’...

In your expert opinion , which navy is capable of performing such a task? Wait, let me hazard a random guess....The US Navy??????

Little wonder your allies are thin on the ground if you belittle one of the top 3 european navies. How about making some nice new mates in China? I hear their navy growing at a rate of knots (’scuse the pun, if you know what that means anyway...)

Why bother trailing round the world for allies in your wars if all you do is give them sh*t before, during, and after, their deployment? You boys just dont know how to make friends do you? Inferiority complex...


91 posted on 09/17/2007 3:34:06 PM PDT by Rikstir
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To: Rikstir
You have pudding for brains and I suspect you know it.

Nukes are not a viable weapon, if they were we would have been out of Vietnam by 1966 and done with Iraq in 1991.

SSBN's give a navy no more power than having ICBM silos 12,000 miles away. They simply make it harder to take out the country's nukes on a first strike. Almost every country with SSBN's has debated taking them out of the naval command structure.

In your expert opinion , which navy is capable of performing such a task? Wait, let me hazard a random guess....The US Navy??????

Its the only one that is capable, by itself, of forcing the straits and carrying out an air order of battle running into the thousands of targets. The head of the Royal Navy and the head of the French Navy would readily agree.

Little wonder your allies are thin on the ground if you belittle one of the top 3 european navies.

That has everything to do with a lack of testicular fortitude on your side of the Atlantic. If we need to butt kiss people who haven't kept their militaries in working order and are now barely on par with some in the third world in order to have someone around to hold our coat while we do the fighting, I say kiss mine.

How about making some nice new mates in China? I hear their navy growing at a rate of knots (’scuse the pun, if you know what that means anyway...)

They at least appear to be taking it seriously. Neither the Royal Navy or the French navy could sail through the straits of Taiwan without their permission.

Why bother trailing round the world for allies in your wars if all you do is give them sh*t before, during, and after, their deployment? You boys just dont know how to make friends do you? Inferiority complex...

I've been stating the facts as they apply to the French navy's inability to fight a conventional war against Iran on their own. Facts that highlight your ignorance. We can live without allies. Can you live without a protector?

I've worked with a lot of Royal Navy men that were impressive war fighters. I assume they were no relation to you.

In any event I'm starting to think you are just a socialist troll, as your British act is more Monty Python than anything I've ever heard from my British friends.

93 posted on 09/17/2007 5:10:34 PM PDT by SampleMan (Islamic tolerance is practiced by killing you last.)
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To: Rikstir
I ‘spose the US is using space ships, powered by ion drives, and firing rail guns to take the fight to the enemy?

The rail guns are going on our new destroyers. So yes.

European aircraft carriers are better than nothing, but all of them combined have less capability than one U.S. CVN.

You appear to be uncomfortable with acknowledging that European military power has fallen on hard times. Sorry, but we Americans aren't responsible for that.

94 posted on 09/17/2007 5:24:16 PM PDT by SampleMan (Islamic tolerance is practiced by killing you last.)
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