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To: wagglebee

No one doubts that humans can change their behavior... But, likewise, no one doubts that humans have a tendency to fall back into old habits. What would be more interesting than an article announcing a well-known fact (that behavior is a behavior) would be an article following these individuals and relaying levels of success or relapses. Blanket announcements like this are really unimpressive. Who cares if these people are now heterosexual, unless they REMAIN heterosexual? Isn’t that the true measure of success for these programs?

If recent political scandals have taught us anything, it should be that many active homosexuals have no problem pretending to be straight, even if it means suckering some poor woman into marriage in the process.


48 posted on 09/16/2007 1:06:26 PM PDT by COgamer
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To: COgamer; scripter
What would be more interesting than an article announcing a well-known fact (that behavior is a behavior) would be an article following these individuals and relaying levels of success or relapses.

Fordham University Dissertation Furthers Spitzer's Landmark Study on Sexual Re-orientation Success

Spitzer Study Published: Evidence Found for Effectiveness of Reorientation Therapy

Should Reorientation Therapy Be Available? -- APA Journal Article Says Yes

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50 posted on 09/16/2007 1:28:48 PM PDT by loboinok (Gun control is hitting what you aim at!)
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To: COgamer; loboinok
I only have a minute here so I'm just going to respond really quickly.

Who cares if these people are now heterosexual, unless they REMAIN heterosexual? Isn’t that the true measure of success for these programs?

That's a question raised by many and it's a good question.

I've been following the homosexual agenda for years and lately I've been following the growing ex-gay population. Over the years I've realized that sexuality is far too complex to limit to black and white answers.

That is, environment is a very important factor in how we look at sexuality. Environment doesn't play a small part, rather, environment plays a large part. This means for some people sexuality is more fluid for them than for others. This doesn't mean it's fluid for everybody but it's more fluid than most realize.

Loboinok provided some great links. My profile contains a lot of links on the subject as well.

People can and do permanently leave the homosexual lifestyle and we need to give ex-gays the recognition they deserve. Many mock ex-gays or deny their existence, making the struggle for those who wish to leave the lifestyle all the more difficult. Some do this out of ignorance, some for political power and perhaps some for other reasons. The politics surrounding homosexuality really grieves my spirit. It's too bad we can't study homosexuality without interference from those pushing an agenda. Any agenda.

68 posted on 09/16/2007 7:14:37 PM PDT by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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