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'Groundbreaking' study shows 'gays' can change
WorldNetDaily ^ | 9/15/07 | WorldNetDaily

Posted on 09/16/2007 10:13:37 AM PDT by wagglebee

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To: Seruzawa
If you want your data taken seriously you shouldn’t announce it in the World Nut Daily

The data was not "announced" in World Nut Daily. It was presented at a professional conference. Try reading the article next time.

61 posted on 09/16/2007 3:15:33 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Aria
Tolerance of something you don’t necessarily agree with is one thing...advocating/promoting is another.

You say it all right there. :-)

A famous artist I know professionally received an award from a particular group in which I was invited to attend. My email address was given for this reason. Since that time my email is flooded with constant fund raising emails and political, award oriented, and support of gay and lesbian artists and issues. Wow. It was just an award show for a professional contact and friend. Talk about a violation of privacy and getting sucked into a black hole just because I know and work with a gay artist. It really upset me.

I know for a fact this person hates Christians and the whole concept of Christianity to him is a joke. I am sure he would not appreciate getting literature from my Christian artist gatherings and you know what? He won't as I realize my Christian beliefs are mine. Talk about lack of tolerance. These organizations, groups and peoples (generally) are an example of the height of hypocrisy.

62 posted on 09/16/2007 3:28:11 PM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: dpa5923

True,peer culture made those things acceptable-drugs,rebellion,violence,etc.
So are you saying had I been around GAY peers,they might have seduced me into their vortex?Just as they got me to accept weed and mescaline?Right now I tend to think”no way”but who knows?
We like to think the best of ourselves.Yet I will concede its possible.


63 posted on 09/16/2007 5:18:43 PM PDT by Riverman94610
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To: hinckley buzzard

Maybe its all a front then.I truly don’t think most WANT to change,however.They just can’t seem to break away from the culture.
I saw a guy wearing a T-shirt once that said,”How dare you assume I am heterosexual?”
Around these parts,you can’t!


64 posted on 09/16/2007 5:21:36 PM PDT by Riverman94610
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To: wagglebee
...which contend such change in sexual orientation is impossible and attempting to pursue it likely will cause depression, anxiety or self-destructive behavior.

Thank god homosexuals don't suffer from abnormally high levels of depression, anxiety, or self-destructive behavior. ;)

65 posted on 09/16/2007 5:31:36 PM PDT by bt_dooftlook (Democrats - the "No Child/Left/Behind" Party)
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To: Jim Noble

It 100% matters for politics.

If it born and unalterable like skin color then they can claim immutability under the law.

If it can change like all other destructive behaviors then personal responsibility for the deathstyle consquences ensue.


66 posted on 09/16/2007 6:00:43 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: longtermmemmory
It 100% matters for politics. If it born and unalterable like skin color then they can claim immutability under the law.

What about alcoholics?

What about sociopaths?

Both of them are probably "born that way".

And what do you mean by "immutability under the law"?

I'm not proposing doing anything against gays using the law, nobody is.

I'm just saying that refusing to change society to accoodate them has zero to do with how they got that way.

67 posted on 09/16/2007 6:17:03 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Trails of troubles, roads of battle, paths of victory we shall walk.)
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To: COgamer; loboinok
I only have a minute here so I'm just going to respond really quickly.

Who cares if these people are now heterosexual, unless they REMAIN heterosexual? Isn’t that the true measure of success for these programs?

That's a question raised by many and it's a good question.

I've been following the homosexual agenda for years and lately I've been following the growing ex-gay population. Over the years I've realized that sexuality is far too complex to limit to black and white answers.

That is, environment is a very important factor in how we look at sexuality. Environment doesn't play a small part, rather, environment plays a large part. This means for some people sexuality is more fluid for them than for others. This doesn't mean it's fluid for everybody but it's more fluid than most realize.

Loboinok provided some great links. My profile contains a lot of links on the subject as well.

People can and do permanently leave the homosexual lifestyle and we need to give ex-gays the recognition they deserve. Many mock ex-gays or deny their existence, making the struggle for those who wish to leave the lifestyle all the more difficult. Some do this out of ignorance, some for political power and perhaps some for other reasons. The politics surrounding homosexuality really grieves my spirit. It's too bad we can't study homosexuality without interference from those pushing an agenda. Any agenda.

68 posted on 09/16/2007 7:14:37 PM PDT by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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To: Riverman94610

There are numerous factors that would determine deviant behavior but it is widely accepted the younger a child is, the more susceptible he is to “learn” new things.

There is a reason children are schooled so young. Children are taught social skills early because the earlier they are taught the more likely they are to take.

Why do you think homosexuals groups what gay friendly curriculum in grade school? If a kid is susceptible to deviant behavior, the earlier the kid is taught the more likely the kid will learn the behavior.


69 posted on 09/16/2007 7:42:50 PM PDT by dpa5923 (Small minds talk about people, normal minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas.)
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To: dpa5923

Funny thing is that I wasn’t even aware of sex till I was around 12 and didn’t know what homos were till around 14.
If my first grade teacher was talking about the so called joys of Gay Love I think she might as well have been explaining brain surgery for all I would have understood on the topic.


70 posted on 09/16/2007 7:49:39 PM PDT by Riverman94610
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To: FreedomFromGov

“Aren’t these same “dangers” perpetrated by heterosexual people, too?”

Sometimes. Inasmuch as they are, I oppose them, too.


71 posted on 09/16/2007 8:14:32 PM PDT by Marie2 (I used to be disgusted. . .now I try to be amused.)
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To: Riverman94610
Do you have children? If so you may want to check out just what movies/books are shown . Or do as I did and send a letter to the school with many follow up calls telling both the teachers & principal my child is to be excused for any gay material that is going to taught or shown.My child is not to be shown a movie without my permission. I don't want her seeing Al Gore's movie either. It is NOT the right of the school to teach my child about gays or sex at her age.

I believe in giving children a childhood without all this BS. I found it strange that the school my child attends will not tell them about the drills they have for terrorism. They call them rainstorm drills so they don't scare them.. Shaking my head & I never want to hear it takes a village to raise a child again...

72 posted on 09/16/2007 9:09:25 PM PDT by pandoraou812 ( zero tolerance to the will of Allah ...... dilligaf? with an efg.....)
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To: scripter
I've been following the homosexual agenda for years and lately I've been following the growing ex-gay population. Over the years I've realized that sexuality is far too complex to limit to black and white answers.

Very true! Having had an Uncle who was a homosexual, and was very forthcoming about his "life-path", it is a complex issue,

However, suffice it to say, early life experiences play a substantial role in sexual orientation. The growing push in education to "inform and instruct students concerning homosexuality" is yet another liberal "feel-good" debacle!

73 posted on 09/16/2007 9:24:47 PM PDT by ExSES (the "bottom-line")
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To: pandoraou812

My Godson,6, goes to a private Lutheran school,where,as the saying goes,”they don’t play that gay stuff”He is safe there,I can assure you.
My elementary years were in the bad old Fifties.No sex education at ALL.Parents kept silent so all I got were the lies told by my peers.Pretty distorted.
Gays were universally scorned.No one wanted to be a “punk”.Yet some of the more effiminate boys later”came out”as adults.


74 posted on 09/16/2007 9:27:55 PM PDT by Riverman94610
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To: Marie2
“Aren’t these same “dangers” perpetrated by heterosexual people, too?” Sometimes. Inasmuch as they are, I oppose them, too.

Fair enough, but then it seems that you're issue is not one based on sexual orientation/preference.

I get skeeved by homosexuals -at least by the thought of their sexual activities - but I'm skeeved by the thought of sexual activities between fat people and old people, as well. I think homosexuals "celebrate" their sexuality in public more because they have been "closeted" for so long. I would bet that if they were accepted in society, they would tone those public displays as they would become unnecessary, as it were. I would bet that their gay affect would go away, as well.
75 posted on 09/17/2007 5:46:21 AM PDT by FreedomFromGov
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To: scripter
Is Change Really Possible?
76 posted on 09/17/2007 7:03:17 AM PDT by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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To: scripter
I Do Exist
77 posted on 09/17/2007 7:04:41 AM PDT by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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To: scripter
Root Causes, Homosexual Consequences
78 posted on 09/17/2007 7:08:26 AM PDT by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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To: scripter
How a 'gay rights' leader became straight
79 posted on 09/17/2007 7:16:51 AM PDT by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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To: Dr. Frank fan
"Why would we need a "study" to tell us what is obvious, that people can change their behavior?

Engaging in homosexual acts is a type of behavior. If one doesn't engage in homosexual acts, it makes little sense to call them a "homosexual".

People who insist that homosexuals "can't change" seem to be calling homosexuals animals, who are not capable of changing their behavior."

Worth repeating.

jw

80 posted on 09/17/2007 7:39:07 AM PDT by JWinNC (www.anailinhisplace.net)
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