Posted on 09/15/2007 8:15:48 PM PDT by I still care
Prosecutors: USF students had explosive materials, instructions.
TAMPA - Pipes stuffed with fertilizer, Karo syrup and kitty litter. Bullets and fuses. A laptop with Internet searches about martyrdom, Hamas and Qassam rockets. Video instructions for turning a child's toy into a detonator.
After weeks of silence, the U.S. Attorney's Office opened up about its case against two University of South Florida engineering students facing explosives charges, implying that Youssef Megahed and Ahmed Mohamed had something sinister in mind when they left Tampa in early August and headed north.
Despite the grim implications of what the government presented, prosecutors said they had no "hard, specific evidence" of a motive or answers for a judge's questions about what the men intended to do with the items, prompting U.S. Magistrate Judge Elizabeth Jenkins to set bail for one of the men, although he remains in custody pending appeal.
The question of intent has been the biggest puzzle since Aug. 4, when Megahed, 21, and Mohamed, 26, were pulled over for speeding in Goose Creek, S.C., and arrested after a deputy became suspicious and searched the pair's car.
From the start, Megahed's family has said the young man went on a harmless road trip, the whims of college students on summer vacation. The family and supporters filled Courtroom 14B on Friday afternoon, and Megahed's siblings were beaming after the judge's ruling.
Assistant U.S. Attorney Jay Hoffer laid out the government's case, saying they view the men as dangerous and at risk of fleeing to their home country of Egypt, a place that doesn't always return fugitives to the United States.
Here's what Hoffer said:
When federal agents searched the men's car, a Toyota Camry registered to Megahed's brother, Yahia Megahed, they found the stuffed pipes wrapped in plastic bags in the trunk alongside a 5-gallon container of gasoline.
Explosives experts categorized the items in the trunk as incomplete pipe bombs, each large enough to blow out windows in a room but not strong enough to destroy a house. Potassium nitrate is a low-grade explosive otherwise used as fertilizer. Kitty litter bound the ingredients while syrup could add fuel.
"I think you can safely say it's a bomb," said Edward Dreizin, a New Jersey Institute of Technology chemical engineering professor.
Agents also found a box of bullets underneath the front passenger seat, where Megahed sat. On a laptop hastily unplugged, agents discovered sites that concerned them, including searches of Qassam rockets, weapons developed by the Palestinian militant group Hamas, often made with steel pipe, liquid sugar and potassium nitrate.
The men were taken into custody and separately questioned. Megahed said he knew nothing about the materials in the trunk, Hoffer said. But when both men were put in the back of a squad car, they spoke to each other in Arabic. In that conversation, which was secretly recorded, Megahed asked Mohamed what happened to the pipes, if they exploded.
As agents dug deeper into the men's background, they found troubling information, Hoffer said.
In July, Mohamed posted a video on YouTube that explained how to transform a toy remote controlled car into a detonator, Hoffer said. The 12-minute video is narrated by a man speaking Arabic with an Egyptian accent. It shows no face, only hands.
"Mohamed admitted he made and uploaded it," Hoffer said.
The video's narrator says it's meant "to save one who wants to be a martyr for another day in battle," Hoffer said. The narrator also mentions a previous example that used a remote controlled toy boat. Federal agents searched the New Tampa home of Megahed's family and found a remote controlled toy boat, Hoffer said.
The judge asked if there was a definite link between the two, and Hoffer said no.
The evidence against Mohamed wasn't the focus, though, because he waived his right to a bail hearing. His attorney, Lionel Lofton, was in Tampa on Friday, but said he didn't think a hearing would have been useful at this time.
"I did not feel he would be granted a bond," he said.
Prosecutors also questioned Megahed's interest in weapons. He recently purchased a .22-caliber rifle and had inquired about a Berreta handgun, Hoffer said. Agents found the rifle inside a storage shed, along with welding and scuba diving equipment.
Megahed had joined a shooting range.
"It certainly raised interesting questions when he's training ... he buys a firearm with a scope," Hoffer said.
Prosecutors said Megahed also had "multiple Egyptian passports" and went to Sears in late July to get more passport-sized photos. There were two passports for Megahed with two different names, Hoffer said.
But Assistant U.S. Public Defender Adam Allen said one of the passports had expired, and that Megahed had used another version of his family's name on the document.
Agents did not seize the passports when they searched the Megahed home, Hoffer said, and they feared, if released, Megahed could flee to Egypt, which does not always extradite fugitives back to the United States. Megahed's extensive travel, both to Egypt and to other countries, including Canada, Saudi Arabia and Nigeria, also concerned prosecutors.
When Megahed was arrested, he carried only a California-issued identification card and a photocopy of an immigration green card, Hoffer said.
Allen asked the judge to consider that Megahed had no criminal record and could be closely watched by his family.
"I don't think the government's evidence against my client is overwhelming," he said. He called the evidence against Mohamed "pretty damning."
The judge found the evidence to be "strong" but not "overwhelming" enough to prove Megahed was a dangerous flight risk that must be jailed until trial. "I do agree that he poses danger," she said.
She ordered him to post $200,000 bail, to remain at his family's home, and to leave only for religious services and to meet with his attorneys. His family also was required to consent to a search at any time.
After the hearing, prosecutors immediately filed an appeal, which will likely be addressed next week, Allen said.
As they filed from the courtroom, Megahed's family smiled.
"I'm happy, I'm really happy," said his sister, Mariam Megahed, 18. She said prosecutors couldn't back up much of what they suggested, and the judge knew it.
"Maybe they don't have any evidence because she kept asking questions, questions and more questions," she said.
Ahmed Bedier, director of the Central Florida office of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, was quick to distinguish between Megahed and Mohamed.
"It's obvious there are two separate individuals with different charges and different allegations," he said. "I wouldn't be surprised if the two individuals end up having separate cases altogether."
He defended Megahed, saying it appeared he "just happened to be in the car." But he had harsher words for Mohamed.
If he could talk to Mohamed, Bedier said, "I'd say, 'Wake up!' "
He added, "Muslims don't get a second chance when they dabble with things like this. Not only will this have consequences on him, but it will have consequences on most of the Muslims in this country."
Staff writers Colleen Jenkins, S.I. Rosenbaum, Justin George and Shannon Colavecchio-Van Sickler and news researcher John Martin contributed to this report. Abbie VanSickle can be reached at 813 226-3373 or vansickle@sptimes.com.
Found in the car
When a routine traffic stop led police to search a car driven by Youssef Megahed, here's what was found:
- Three pieces of PVC pipe cut into various sizes, 1 foot or less, filled with potassium nitrate (used in fertilizer) and Karo syrup. Cat litter was used to bind those ingredients.
- Safety fuse, 20 feet.
- Electric drill
- Bullets
- Gasoline, 5 gallon canister
- Laptop computer reflecting visits to the following Web sites: a video file that shows Qassam rockets firing, Hamas information, a discussion of martyrdom, M-16 rifle photos
Source: U.S. Attorney's Office
How much power?
Explosive experts interviewed by the Times say the loaded PVC tubes sound like incomplete pipe bombs, lacking only detonators. Each one, while not powerful enough to blow up a house, could blow out the windows in a room. However, without a detonator, the devices would simply have burned slowly. The chemical combination would not produce what people would typically think of as fireworks.
Sources: Edward Dreizin, New Jersey Institute of Technology chemical engineering professor; Vilem Petr, Colorado School of Mines explosive engineering professor; Van Romero, New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology vice president for research
Have they identified their target yet? If not I have to wonder if perhaps they were planning on attacking the Naval Nuclear Power Training Command or the Nuclear Prototype Training Unit located in Goose Creek. The latter would be much more difficult to hit (because they are guarding two nuclear reactors) but even exploding a bomb outside the gate of the Naval Weapons Station where both commands are located would likely get the media in a spin about nuclear safety.
Time to lop of some Megahed and watch it roll down the street.
Megahed = Mujahid = jihad warrior.
Mohamed = Mohamed.
A quick Google on "kitty litter" reveals that it is bentonite clay and can be used to make high-temperature resistant rocket nozzles. Look here for instance.
Well, coincidence of coincidences, a little further down in the article, you read "On a laptop hastily unplugged, agents discovered sites that concerned them, including searches of Qassam rockets..."
I think they may have been working on homemade rockets to deliver their bombs.
I guess one would have to intentionally fly a plane into a building to be considered a terrorist action by a judge. Then again, the judge might (probably would) say that there was no evidence it was intentional.
Not to hijack the thread, but that is an interesting point of discussion. I know the liberals get all bent out of shape on this, but here is my opinion.
American citizen, no matter who/what/where he is caught, bring him back to the States, trial by jury, suitable punishment.
Foreigners, Club Gitmo, military tribunal, suitable punishment.
Any other opinions?
These are Islamists terrorists with explosives. Sooner or later they were going to do what Islamist terrorists do all over the world: kill and maim innocent people. Only a clueless liberal reporter and criminally irresponsible liberal judge could have any doubt about this.
The judge’s despicable behavior in granting one of the foreign terrorists bail is one more reason cases involving foreign terrorists must be handled away from our court system. Terrorism is war, not shoplifting. These guys should have been detained in Guantanamo until the war on terror is won—or lost, if Hillary or Osama are elected and surrender, opening the gates of Guantanamo.
I say just tatoo “Apple Dumpling Gang” on their foreheads and send them to federal prison. The rest will just naturally sort itself out.
Also, if they're here on student visas, why so many family members here too?
"Maybe they don't have any evidence because she kept asking questions, questions and more questions," she [the sister] said.
Yes, funny how it’s not mentioned BOMBS ENOUGH TO KILL(Mark Levin moment).
A Judge in Rochester Minnesota made excuses for a criminal that shot a 9mm hand gun into a crowd, he must of only intended to scare them.
http://www.kttc.com/News/index.php?ID=10143
The judge said, however, that the prosecuting attorney didn’t prove that Edwards actually tried to kill anybody
The judge was probably protecting his 2nd amendment right to fire a firearm at innocent people. Oh, that’s not in the 2nd amendment? Guess the judge didn’t know that.
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