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Blue-State Employment Blues : As Red Staters Keep More of What They Earn, Jobs Flow Their Way
National Review ^ | 09/14/2007 | Greg Kaza

Posted on 09/14/2007 7:46:35 AM PDT by SirLinksalot

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To: Jigajog

“I don’t believe that. Individuals in high tax states can deduct that portion paid to the state against that due the Fed.’

I think that is correct.
However, deductions taken for 401k investment serve to reduce taxable income, upon which is based the state income tax. Then when retirees relocate from an income-taxing state and begin to get back their invested funds, the income-tax-deprived previous state gets no handle on the retirement income. This irritates California greatly.


22 posted on 09/14/2007 8:50:11 AM PDT by gcruse (...now I have to feed the dog as if nothing has happened.)
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To: KeyesPlease
See post 16. Blue states are coastal and urban. They have more manufacturing and more trade. They make more money. They pay more taxes.

Rural states are on their backs primarily because their resource based economies have been regulated to death. Mining is gone. Ag and ranching are under attack. Forestry is an empty shell. The left has exported those industries.

23 posted on 09/14/2007 8:50:16 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: All
Here is the net balance of payments by state.
24 posted on 09/14/2007 8:51:59 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Carry_Okie
"While the trend cited is indeed positive, blue states in general (such as New Jersey, Connecticut, and California) contribute far more in net Federal revenues than do the red states listed above (such as Wyoming and South Dakota), many of which are net Federal recipients."

Are you talking about corporate taxes when you say "contribute far more in net Federal revenues?"

25 posted on 09/14/2007 8:53:21 AM PDT by avacado
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To: Carry_Okie

“Ag and ranching are under attack.’

How many billions of agriwelfare constitute an attack?


26 posted on 09/14/2007 8:54:33 AM PDT by gcruse (...now I have to feed the dog as if nothing has happened.)
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To: SirLinksalot

Aren’t more red states right-to-work states? I’ve seen announcements about manufacturers moving operations from union areas to non. Wasn’t there just a auto factory that shifted 4,000 jobs from MI to GA?


27 posted on 09/14/2007 8:55:12 AM PDT by philled ("CNBC?...You might as well be doing ham radio at that point."-- Dennis Miller)
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To: philled
Wasn’t there just a auto factory that shifted 4,000 jobs from MI to GA?

TRUE. MI is bleeding jobs due to the difficulty of Ford and GM in getting their finances in shape because of the generous pension they promised their workers decades ago. The chickens have come home to roost and GM and Ford now have to PAY people for essentially retiring and doing nothing while the Jap and Korean carmakers are eating their lunch.

I also know for a fact when visiting Alabama recently that many people from the Detroit area have moved to Alabama to work for Korean carmakers who have established presence in 'Bama.
28 posted on 09/14/2007 9:10:43 AM PDT by SirLinksalot
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To: SirLinksalot

Very interesting statistics, but I suspect they are a bit misleading. The states with the highest “red-state” job growth seem to be skewed towards major producers in what has been the most robust sectors of the economy in the last five years (energy). Only Florida and Nevada don’t fit that description in the list.


29 posted on 09/14/2007 9:13:29 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: Carry_Okie

Blue states suffer from high costs of living, because of government regulation and spending. These higher costs result in higher wages. But a dollar still goes farther in a red state than in a blue one. Blue states make more money, but can buy less for it.

In the presence of a progessive federal tax structure, high wages are deadly.

It is no coincidence that NJ and California sport the highest debt loads, per capita, of any other states. NJ leads the pack at over $6k per head, with Cali trailing a far secong at over $3k per head.

In short, blue states suck because of the governments the people elect.


30 posted on 09/14/2007 9:19:49 AM PDT by KeyesPlease
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To: gcruse
How many billions of agriwelfare constitute an attack?

Considering the cost of regulation, IMO less than the cost of the payments.

31 posted on 09/14/2007 9:26:31 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: KeyesPlease
Blue states suffer from high costs of living, because of government regulation and spending.

Oh, and it has nothing to do with real estate costs associated with a desirable climate? Get real.

But a dollar still goes farther in a red state than in a blue one. Blue states make more money, but can buy less for it.

In some ways, yes. In others no. A pleasant climate costs money to enjoy.

In the presence of a progressive federal tax structure, high wages are deadly.

True indeed.

It is no coincidence that NJ and California sport the highest debt loads, per capita, of any other states. NJ leads the pack at over $6k per head, with Cali trailing a far secong at over $3k per head.

Frankly, I doubt that. New Jersey has a history a corporate Valhalla because of its industrial heritage. Hence there are a fair number of people paying heavy taxes on those executive salaries and buying houses to match to get as fat a deduction on interest as they can afford. California has similar forces.

In short, blue states suck because of the governments the people elect.

You won't get any argument out of me about that, but the implication that private wages follow government spending is absurd on its face.

32 posted on 09/14/2007 9:34:58 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: 2banana
The biggest problem is with all the people coming to Texas from up North & California. They bring all their crap with them. They want all the social BS that caused them to need the high income taxes AND then they complain about the property taxes here. They can’t figure the offset of property taxes versus the income taxes they used to pay.
33 posted on 09/14/2007 10:30:02 AM PDT by call meVeronica
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To: thulldud

Yep. And they bring their silly left wing ways with them and start ruining the schools with BS curriculum. They then start demanding sanctuary for illegals and recognition of same sex marriages/civil unions.

They are thinning the conservative vote. We need to get more of us to the polls and election time. Start breeding conservatives! lol


34 posted on 09/14/2007 10:34:24 AM PDT by Fledermaus (Get a colonoscopy - Ron Paulyps could be cancerous!)
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To: hermgem

Illinois’ king is buying jobs with tax credits and still can’t stop the bleeding. This is mostly work comp related. Businessmen aren’t all stupid.


35 posted on 09/14/2007 10:36:30 AM PDT by steve8714
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To: SirLinksalot

To be fair, the blue states are pretty established especially in the urban areas. Many Red states are still growing which brings in new jobs and population.


36 posted on 09/14/2007 10:43:46 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: Carry_Okie

So you don’t think government spending causes upward wage pressure? Seriously?


37 posted on 09/14/2007 10:43:57 AM PDT by KeyesPlease
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To: philled

Nissan N.A. just moved their headquarters to Nashville and we have one of their major factories in Smryna along with a Saturn plant in Columbia.


38 posted on 09/14/2007 10:50:42 AM PDT by eyedigress
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To: KeyesPlease
So you don’t think government spending causes upward wage pressure? Seriously?

To a degree, but not like Silicon Valley, peninsula VC firms, or the San Francisco financial district do.

Seriously.

39 posted on 09/14/2007 11:24:46 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Carry_Okie
Blue states suffer from high costs of living, because of government regulation and spending.

Oh, and it has nothing to do with real estate costs associated with a desirable climate? Get real.

What desirable climates? About the only blue state that I can think of that has a desirable climate (read: warm) is California, and that's still only part of the state. How is New Jersey a desirable climate?

On the other hand, states like Florida or Texas or South Carolina have pretty desirable climates and lower housing costs than New Jersey, do they not?

40 posted on 09/14/2007 11:34:49 AM PDT by Publius Valerius
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