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Homeowners wave victory flag after accord in pole flap
Palm Beach Press ^ | 9/13/07 | ANA X. CERON

Posted on 09/13/2007 7:19:55 AM PDT by Millee

After seven years, residents George and Ann Andres can fly the American flag the way they want - and not lose their home in the process.

According to their attorney, Barry Silver, the Andreses and their homeowners association have settled most of their differences in the flag pole war that put the Indian Creek community on the national map. More local news Latest breaking news, photos and all of today's Post stories.

The battle erupted in 1999, when Korean War veteran George Andres began flying his flag on a 12-foot pole outside his townhouse, instead of hoisting it to brackets on the outside of their home, like his homeowners association said he should.

The association eventually took Andres to court for breaking its rules, and the two have been battling it out ever since with attorneys.

On Tuesday and Wednesday, attorneys for both sides filed paperwork in Palm Beach County Circuit Court to settle several cases stemming from the dispute.

The association agreed to pay a portion of Silver's fees, using the rest to go toward waiving violation fees filed against the Andreses, according to a news release.

The fines had piled up so high - to the tune of $35,000 to $40,000 - that the association moved to foreclose on the couple's home to make up the money.

The one matter still outstanding is Andres' claim for attorney fees in the case where the retired electrician won a temporary injunction to use the pole to fly his flag.

George Andres, 71, said he would celebrate the settlement by simply going out to dinner with his wife.

"What else am I going to do? I got my flag flying and it's going to stay flying, that's all that counts," he said.


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: hoa; oldglory; onthehomefront; sixthanniversary
I despise HOA's & would never live with one again, but he probably signed an HOA agreement & should abide by it.
1 posted on 09/13/2007 7:19:56 AM PDT by Millee
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To: Millee
I despise HOA's & would never live with one again, but he probably signed an HOA agreement & should abide by it.

I would agree if - if you sign an agreement, you have legally bound yourself to that.

A friend said it best, when he said that people who love HOAs are probably closet socialists who can't get enough government in their lives.
2 posted on 09/13/2007 7:21:30 AM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: Millee

Patriotism: The last refuge of a—holes who refuse to follow the rules.


3 posted on 09/13/2007 7:25:16 AM PDT by Crawdad (I cried because I had no shoes, until I met a man who had no class.)
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To: af_vet_rr

A friend said it best, when he said that people who love HOAs are probably closet socialists who can’t get enough government in their lives.


I see a good HOA as the smallest alternative to big government. And I get to pick the rules, by picking the HOA with the rules I value.

My only problem is when the HOA fails to follow their own rules.


4 posted on 09/13/2007 7:26:11 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed ("We do have tough gun laws in Massachusetts; I support them, I won't chip away at them" -Mitt Romney)
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To: Millee

I don’t know if this applies in this particular case, but I know there have been cases where a homeowner has found their property under the jurisdiction of a newly formed HOA.

That would certainly open the possibility of conflict between me and them.


5 posted on 09/13/2007 7:30:00 AM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: FormerLib

I don’t know if this applies in this particular case, but I know there have been cases where a homeowner has found their property under the jurisdiction of a newly formed HOA.


Not legally possible.


6 posted on 09/13/2007 7:36:19 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed ("We do have tough gun laws in Massachusetts; I support them, I won't chip away at them" -Mitt Romney)
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To: Beelzebubba

The story I was thinking of involved a neighborhood in Baltimore being declared a “Historic District” and the homeowners were prohibited from making any modifications to their property that were visible from the street.


7 posted on 09/13/2007 7:39:11 AM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: Millee

Millee, I had no idea that you’re also - gulp - a HOA bigot. Will have to update your dossier.


8 posted on 09/13/2007 7:43:11 AM PDT by Mike Bates (Irish Alzheimer's victim: I only remember the grudges.)
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To: Mike Bates
My bigotry has no bounds.
9 posted on 09/13/2007 7:46:45 AM PDT by Millee (Tagline free since 10/20/06)
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To: Crawdad
"Patriotism: The last refuge of a—holes who refuse to follow the rules."

What a bunch of bilge!! Are you implying that any patriotic person is hiding behind patriotism to conceal themselves from something that is distasteful to them? And, by the way, who in the Hell reads all the fine print in these volumnuous agreements? Finally, take a look at the venue and you'll find a malignancy called liberalism which seeks to take control of every aspect of peoples lives.

A healthier outlook on this thing would reveal a cadre of citizens who refuse to live in a place like Palm Beach. Who in the Hell wants to be bothered with this kind of crapola?

I'm glad that they finally won, but you can bet that there is additional trouble down the road via a vendetta.

10 posted on 09/13/2007 7:48:01 AM PDT by davisfh
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To: af_vet_rr

HOAs are like living on the commune. Bunch of Hippies.


11 posted on 09/13/2007 7:50:15 AM PDT by Paladin2 (Islam is the religion of violins, NOT peas.)
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To: Millee

The problem with most HOA’s isn’t the agreement but rather the people who step in and assume leadership and, yeah, usually with either the homeowner’s consent or inattention. But most people have no idea what some folks will do once they get a little bit of power. Get a little closet Hillary in there and, hoo boy, watch your life start to get micromanaged. It is very difficult to dislodge these petty tyrants once they get hold of the reins of power.

Also, nothing in the deed or covenants gives the HOA the right to violate the State or Federal Constitution and Statutes. Ultimately, that is why the homeowner prevailed.


12 posted on 09/13/2007 7:54:55 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Fred Dalton Thompson for President)
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To: af_vet_rr

However, HOA’s must still abide by local, state, and federal laws.

If they’ve violated a person’s federal rights, regardless of contract, the HOA is in the wrong...

...as the contract cannot legally deny those rights in the first place.


13 posted on 09/13/2007 8:04:34 AM PDT by gogogodzilla (Republicans only win if they are conservative.)
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To: FormerLib
I’m not sure people understand that the community has the right to change the rules and regulations of the HOA. Those on the board of the HOA are elected. As we get the government we deserve in Washington, so do we get the government we deserve on the local and sub local level. If you are not happy with your Representatives then throw the bums out.
14 posted on 09/13/2007 8:55:50 AM PDT by Eagles Talon IV
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To: NonValueAdded

YEP...what YOU said....HOA’s are run by the homeowners....some who like to be little socialists. The important thing to do is get yourself (and like minded homeowners) elected to the Board - especially at the beginning.....I know....I’ve lived with 5 different HOA’s....(4 condos, 1 home)


15 posted on 09/13/2007 9:10:31 AM PDT by goodnesswins (Being Challenged Builds Character! Being Coddled Destroys Character!)
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To: NonValueAdded
But most people have no idea what some folks will do once they get a little bit of power. Get a little closet Hillary in there and, hoo boy, watch your life start to get micromanaged. It is very difficult to dislodge these petty tyrants once they get hold of the reins of power.

Yes, but they do what they do for your own good. ;-)

16 posted on 09/13/2007 9:14:18 AM PDT by TChris (Has anyone under Mitt Romney's leadership ever been worse off because he is Mormon?)
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To: FormerLib
The story I was thinking of involved a neighborhood in Baltimore being declared a “Historic District” and the homeowners were prohibited from making any modifications to their property that were visible from the street.

That's a government action, not a homeowner's association

17 posted on 09/13/2007 9:34:36 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: PAR35

I was thinking about it from the perspective of the homeowner, who probably finds the it more of a distinction than a difference.


18 posted on 09/13/2007 9:45:43 AM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: PAR35

It’s worse in that it’s usually run by petty tyrants who don’t even live there.


19 posted on 09/13/2007 10:15:31 AM PDT by Paladin2 (Islam is the religion of violins, NOT peas.)
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To: Crawdad
Patriotism: The last refuge of a—holes who refuse to follow the rules.
I think your own tag line describes you to a tee --- "I cried because I had no shoes, until I met a man who had no class."
20 posted on 09/14/2007 5:14:19 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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