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Ron Paul Polling at 5% in New Hampshire (Highest Yet in New Hampshire)
USA Election Polls ^ | September 12, 2007

Posted on 09/12/2007 9:00:07 AM PDT by Austin Willard Wright

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To: uxbridge; jrooney
hard to know whether 2006 is part of a trend left in NH...or whether it was just a reaction to Iraq...that remains to be seen.

I'm here. I can tell you it was Iraq.

81 posted on 09/12/2007 10:10:49 AM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: uxbridge

You’re 100% correct. The only State with better gun laws is Vermont. We have neither a State income tax nor a sales tax. We don’t have seat belt laws, motorcycle helmet laws, and for another 5 days, a smoking ban.

These clowns are posting from their socialist paradises.


82 posted on 09/12/2007 10:11:24 AM PDT by t_skoz ("let me be who I am - let me kick out the jams!")
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To: dashing doofus

the FSP didn’t fail, it’s just getting started.


83 posted on 09/12/2007 10:17:27 AM PDT by t_skoz ("let me be who I am - let me kick out the jams!")
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To: Oberon

>> The only poll I’m really concerned about is the primary. I predict that he’ll do considerably better than 1 percent in the primaries, because his people are motivated.

Perhaps he will do better than 1% ... but unless he does 25x, 30x or 40x better than 1%, he’s entirely irrelevant. His numbers may skyrocket to 3 or 4%, but he’ll never make a dent in those with an actual shot of winning this thing.

This race is between Rudy Giuliani, Fred Thompson and Mitt Romney ... and perhaps John McCain and Mike Huckabee. Everyone else is just wasting their time, and my time. Perhaps they serve a purpose in allowing the actual candidate to refine their positions and arguments, and hone their debating skills.

But, ultimately, these second tier candidates are no more important than the “practice squad” that a professional football team pounds on in practices. And, like a pro-football practice squad, they can be harmful to the extent that they actually injure the starters ... we’re on the same team here, and our eventual nominee needs to come out of the primary unscathed.

H


84 posted on 09/12/2007 10:20:50 AM PDT by SnakeDoctor ("Don't worry. History will get it right ... and we'll both be dead." - George W. Bush to Karl Rove)
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To: t_skoz

I’m posting from Texas ... there’s probably not a more conservative State in the continental U.S (Alaska, on the other hand, may have an argument).

H


85 posted on 09/12/2007 10:22:48 AM PDT by SnakeDoctor ("Don't worry. History will get it right ... and we'll both be dead." - George W. Bush to Karl Rove)
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To: t_skoz

Well, I don’t think the Free Staters have met their initial expectations about having enough people move here to actually swing the state’s politics.

I have nothing against Free Stater’s btw, and to me, the most important consideration when voting for a candidate is his/her stance on federal intrusion into state’s rights. In that regard, I think RP adds an important voice to the debate, even though people just dismiss him as a nut.

I do think he hurts his chances though with rhetoric that appears to be blaming America for terrorist attacks.


86 posted on 09/12/2007 10:23:09 AM PDT by dashing doofus (Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber)
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To: Hemorrhage

Uh,Utah? And you do have Austin and I would guess the valley is probably D.


87 posted on 09/12/2007 10:23:54 AM PDT by dashing doofus (Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber)
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To: Austin Willard Wright

OMG! It’s over! Fred, Rudy, and Mitt should just call it a day. The Paul Surge will win him the primary!


88 posted on 09/12/2007 10:26:13 AM PDT by WinOne4TheGipper (Now more popular than Congress!* *According to a new RasMESSen Poll.)
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To: dashing doofus

Perhaps Utah. Austin is where we send all the hippies that don’t want to pay San Francisco’s income taxes ... but, we generally keep them pretty well contained in Austin.

H


89 posted on 09/12/2007 10:28:09 AM PDT by SnakeDoctor ("Don't worry. History will get it right ... and we'll both be dead." - George W. Bush to Karl Rove)
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To: Austin Willard Wright

There is another way of expressing his strength. He is polling a -95%.

That is, almost everyone is against him in New Hampshire as is also true of the rest of the country. .


90 posted on 09/12/2007 10:28:43 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Hillary's color is yellow.....how appropriate)
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To: Hemorrhage

Yeah. I still kinda like Austin, even though its an island of lefties in the Great Republic of Texas. They have bars that make great Margaritas!


91 posted on 09/12/2007 10:30:05 AM PDT by dashing doofus (Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber)
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To: Austin Willard Wright
In a recent survey it was discovered the 94% of American women lost their virginity to Ron Paul. The other 6% were incredibly fat or ugly.

There is endless debate about the existence of the human soul. Well it does exist, and Ron Paul finds it delicious.

Ron Paul wears a live rattlesnake as a condom.

Do you know why Baskin Robbins only has 31 flavors? Because Ron Paul doesn't like Fudge Ripple.

Google won't search for Ron Paul because it knows you don't find Ron Paul, he finds you.

It is scientifically impossible for Ron Paul to have had a mortal father. The most popular theory is that he went back in time and fathered himself

Nothing can escape the gravity of a black hole, except for Ron Paul. Ron Paul eats black holes. They taste like chicken.

Ron Paul invented the internet… just so he had a place to store his porn

When God said, "let there be light", Ron Paul said, "say 'please'."

Everybody loves Raymond. Except Ron Paul.

Contrary to popular belief, the Titanic didn't hit an iceberg. The ship was off course and accidentally ran into Ron Paul while he was doing the backstroke across the Atlantic.

Ron Pauls’ sperm is so badass, he had sex with Nicole Kidman, and 7 months later she prematurely gave birth to a Ford Excursion.

Ron Paul doesnt wear a watch, HE decides what time it is.

The phrase 'balls to the wall' was originally conceived to describe Ron Paul entering any building smaller than an aircraft hangar.

The phrase 'dead ringer' refers to someone who sits behind Ron Paul in a movie theater and forgets to turn their cell phone off.

Ron Paul can blow bubbles with beef jerky.

With the rising cost of gasoline, Ron Paul is beginning to worry about his drinking habit.

Fact: Ron Paul doesn't consider it sex if the woman survives.

In the medical community, death is referred to as "Ron Paul Disease"

Ron Paul is widely predicted to be first black president. If you're thinking to yourself, "But Ron Paul isn't black", then you are dead wrong. And stop being a racist.

Ron Paul once ate four 30lb bowling balls without chewing.

Ron Paul starts everyday with a protein shake made from Carnation Instant Breakfast, one dozen eggs, pure Colombian cocaine, and rattlesnake venom. He injects it directly into his neck with a syringe.

Ron Paul has to register every part of his body as a separate lethal weapon. His spleen is considered a concealed weapon in over 50 states.

One time I was with Ron Paul in the back of a pickup truck, along with a live deer. Norris goes up to the deer and says, 'I'm Ron Paul! SAY IT!' Then he manipulates the deer's lips in such a way as to make it say, 'Ron Paul' ... It wasn't exactly like it, but it was pretty good for a deer!'"

92 posted on 09/12/2007 10:33:57 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Oberon
I beg to differ. Paul advocates securing the borders, which
A) will shut out the lion's share of terrorist attacks, and
B) the current leadership is unwilling to do.

Baloney. You can't protect this country from terrorists by simply securing the borders. And you can't protect America's interests here and around the world by withdrawing our troops from every country on the planet (including Japan, Korea, etc.) and unilaterally declaring that you won't even honor defensive treaties with our allies (like Britain).
93 posted on 09/12/2007 10:35:30 AM PDT by TexasAg1996
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To: dashing doofus

Austin’s not bad for a visit ... though I probably wouldn’t want to live there.

I’m a UT Football fan, so we go to Austin for a game every year or two ... and I did contract work for a large law firm in Austin for 6 months last year. There are some seriously weird people there (for instance, there’s a homeless dude in a dress downtown, and the unicycle commuters that ride through downtown everyday). There are lots of homeless derelicts hanging around outside the office buildings.

But, the bars are nice, there’s great chicken-wing place (Plucker’s), and Dan’s Hamburgers are fantastic.

Hook ‘Em.

H


94 posted on 09/12/2007 10:36:18 AM PDT by SnakeDoctor ("Don't worry. History will get it right ... and we'll both be dead." - George W. Bush to Karl Rove)
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To: Hemorrhage

Get back to me when Texas gets rid of their sales taxes, motorcycle helmet and seatbelt laws, etc.

You can’t even carry a firearm in a bar, and you consider yourself living in a conservative state? Hell, we OPEN CARRY to the bar here.

Texas is nice but the bottom line is that NH is still “The Free State”.


95 posted on 09/12/2007 10:36:26 AM PDT by t_skoz ("let me be who I am - let me kick out the jams!")
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To: Phantom Lord
How about the elimination of the CIA and FBI?

Or is that a sane and reasonable position?

I could be wrong but I;ve never heard Paul advocate abolishing the FBI

As to the CIA...yes, I think abolishing it would be an excellent move. Remember that when the CIA was created in 1947, it was of course, given the power to collect and analyze intelligence...but it also expanded on the old OSS by the creation of a CIA power to conduct subversive covert operations in foreign countries. You see by that time, the US government was no longer paying any attention to the US Constitution...which provides no authority for the federal government to create an agency that conducts secret covert operations independent of the US military.

Its also worth noting that the US military, the State Department and the FBI all were opposed to the creation of this agency...this secret agency with a secret budget that would have the power to conduct secret foreign operations independent of the military and outside the oversight of the Congress or the public.

And the history of the CIA's covert operations has, IMO, been a very negative one for the American people. Could you imagine a domestic agency, independent of the Congress, with the power to conduct operations it deems necessary to further some very general goals laid out by Congress?...would you anticipate much success from that agency...or would you anticipate a lot of waste, corruption, bungling and ill-advised operations? I think the history of every government would suggest the latter is more likely.

Books have been written by the CIA and what its actions have wrought...but, just as one example...Al Qaeda and creation of Bin Laden. A lot of people mistakenly believe that the CIA began funding Islamists in Afghanistan only after the Soviet invasion. But that is not true. In 1977 Zbigniew Brzezinski, President Carter’s NSA advisor, forms a cryptically named agency called the Nationalities Working Group (NWG) the goal of which to weaken the Soviet Union by inflaming ethnic tensions among the Islamists in the Soviet Union. According to Richard Cottam, a former CIA official who advised the Carter Administration at the time, Brzezinski advocated an alliance with the Islamists.

As part of that plan, the CIA focuses on supporting the Islamic militant enemies of the Communist government in Afghanistan which is close with the Soviet government. The CIA and the NWG begin training Islamic militants in Pakistan in 1977-78. Now, by early 1979, the US has been encouraging Muslim revolts (i.e. terrorist attacks) against the Afghani government for more than a year. Robert Gates, who is now the Defense Secretary and was CIA Director during the 90's has written about a March 30, 1979 meeting at which Under Secretary of Defense Walter Slocumbe discussed "keeping the Afghan insurgency going, and sucking the Soviets into a Vietnamese quagmire."

In July of 1979...5 months before the Soviet forces entered Afghanistan...President Carter authorized covert funding to the Islamists.

In 1998, Brzezinski recalled:

According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the mujaheddin began after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise: Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention. We didn’t push the Russians to intervene, but we knowingly increased the probability that they would.

You have to remember that the Soviets entered Afghanistan in December of 1979 at the invitation of the Communist Afghani governmment to help quell the Muslim mutinies that the US government was secretly funding. It wasn't until the end of December that the Soviets toppled the Afghani government when they came to believe (incorrectly) that Afghani President Haizullah Amin was allied with the CIA

The rest, as they say, is history...the Islamists, originally funded and trained by the US to provoke a Soviet quagmire in Afghanistan, are now the same cast of characters threatening to explode nuclear weapons in American cities.

Yeah...the CIA, in my opinion, isn't very good at international chess and, seeing as how playing that game has come to be its primary function...I think we're better off relying on the Department of Defense's intelligence agencies and getting out of the covert activities entirely

96 posted on 09/12/2007 10:39:36 AM PDT by uxbridge
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To: TexasAg1996

Ron Paul is not interested in protecting us from terrorists. He has voted repeatedly against the Patriot Act, despite the pleas from the FBI and intelligence community to retain it and that it was vitally needed in the WOT.


97 posted on 09/12/2007 10:44:06 AM PDT by kabar
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To: TexasAg1996
Baloney. You can't protect this country from terrorists by simply securing the borders.

You don't think that helps?

And you can't protect America's interests here and around the world by withdrawing our troops from every country on the planet (including Japan, Korea, etc.) and unilaterally declaring that you won't even honor defensive treaties with our allies (like Britain).

Did Paul say he would do that?

In the long run it's debatable whether it's worthwhile to put your troops in friendly countries (like South Korea and Japan) rather than staying on good terms with them and having them provide for their own security. Grown-up countries should defend themselves; it's one of the legitimate functions of a sovereign government, and it's reasonable for Japan and Korea to shoulder their share of the load.

Paul is a non-interventionist, not an isolationist. He favors diplomacy, trade, and defense; he just doesn't favor the US being the world's self-appointed policeman. A lot of patriotic Americans share his point of view.

98 posted on 09/12/2007 10:54:34 AM PDT by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: kabar
Ron Paul is not interested in protecting us from terrorists. He has voted repeatedly against the Patriot Act...

It's ridiculous that we have the Patriot Act, but do not have a border fence.

That right there should tell you what the purpose of the Patriot Act really is.
99 posted on 09/12/2007 10:58:40 AM PDT by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: Oberon

What is your point? Is one contingent upon the other? Why did Ron Paul vote against Patriot Act?


100 posted on 09/12/2007 11:04:06 AM PDT by kabar
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