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To: BillF
None of the countries gives up their independence.

Wanna make a bet? As Calderon said in his speech to Mexico, "where there is a Mexican there is Mexico."

For example, if a plague broke out in Europe, the officials of the three countries could coordinate a technique to minimize the risk of the plague getting to North America.

Now should this plague break out in Mexico, do you honestly think these officials would close the borders? The SPP agreement is to keep the borders open during a pandemic as money is more important to them than life. Free trade must go on come hell or high water. So therefore, we will have a world wide pandemic due to free trade.

17 posted on 09/12/2007 5:51:08 AM PDT by texastoo ((((((USA)))))((((((, USA))))))((((((. USA))))))))
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To: texastoo

You raise a good issue, but it’s a different matter, one that’s separate from Schlafly’s misstatements.

Under current political reality, you are probably right that the border would unfortunately not be closed. However, it would be because U.S. officials (under the type of political pressure that produced the amnesty bill) were wrongly choosing to subordinate U.S. interests to Mexico’s. It would NOT be a result of the chairman of a coordinating committee being in the hands of Mexico, contrary to Schlafly’s contention.

When I said that the countries don’t give up their independence, I meant under the SPP. That was the context and what I was talking about, but it’s good to clarify that.


19 posted on 09/12/2007 10:32:49 AM PDT by BillF (Fight terrorists in Iraq & elsewhere, instead of waiting for them to come to America!)
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To: texastoo; BillF
Now should this plague break out in Mexico, do you honestly think these officials would close the borders? The SPP agreement is to keep the borders open during a pandemic as money is more important to them than life. Free trade must go on come hell or high water. So therefore, we will have a world wide pandemic due to free trade.

Bump. Correct.

It truly shows how little that "Security" has to do with the Security Prosperity Partnership.

As for BillF's argument that there is no abdication of sovereignty in the SPP, that would seem to be contradicted by the very secrecy surrounding these negotiations that never seem to have any tangible Congressional authority or work-product for the Senate to review and confirm in treaty-form.

Our nation's sovereignty flows from the PEOPLE. And since the People, inclusive of their representatives, are being kept in the dark, ignorant of the issues of the foreign discussions and policies... then it follows that they have already had their sovereignty violated.

20 posted on 09/12/2007 11:46:43 AM PDT by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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