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Disturbed (American) anti-war protester can't find (US) soldier, kills civilian with axe instead
Canada Press ^ | 9-11-07 | CP

Posted on 09/11/2007 11:22:12 AM PDT by tcrlaf

AMSTERDAM, Netherlands (AP) — A U.S. citizen has confessed to using an axe to kill a Dutch student after failing to find a soldier to attack, his lawyer said Tuesday.

The suspect, Carlos Hartmann, 41, of Tecumseh, Mich., has confessed to the Sept. 8 killing on a train platform in the southern city of Roosendaal, defence lawyer Peter Gremmen said.

Gremmen said Hartmann wanted to punish the Netherlands for its support of the war in Iraq.

Hartmann appeared before a judge Tuesday and was ordered held for another two weeks for investigation.

"He hates soldiers, and says that the army kills people, so it would be legitimate if he were also to kill someone . . . from the American military - or from its NATO allies," Gremmen said in a telephone interview.

When he failed to find a soldier at the Roosendaal train station, "he got such a crazy, disturbed idea that he killed a civilian," Gremmen said.

Hartmann did not attempt to escape and was arrested shortly after the killing.

Dutch prosecutors confirmed that the suspect had confessed but did not identify him or his victim, in keeping with Dutch practice.

Under the Dutch legal system, Hartmann was not required to enter a plea Tuesday.

Prosecution spokeswoman Martine Pilaar said her office was taken aback by the defence lawyer's willingness to disclose details of his case.

But Gremmen said he was only confirming details published by the local newspaper BN/De Stem. The paper's source was not named, and police declined to comment.

"I was also surprised when I saw the paper; I thought, this must be coming from the investigation," the lawyer said.

Gremmen said Hartmann has lived in the Netherlands since 2002, supporting himself with English editing work for a Japanese company, which he could do by computer, and that he had no fixed address.

He said Hartmann had consented to undergo psychological testing, and was now "terribly sorry for his deed."

The victim, identified as Thijs Geers, was waiting for a train and had no connection with the suspect or the military. Online condolence registers in the Netherlands were flooded with messages of sympathy for him and his family.

BN/De Stem quoted a witness who asked to remain anonymous as describing Hartmann as striking the victim in the back of the head with the axe. It also quoted an unidentified family member from the United States as saying Hartmann has suffered from emotional problems since his early 20s.

"It's a sad story," Gremmen said. "But I'm glad he's admitted what he's done and that he's sorry for it."


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: alreadyposted; attack; bds; kill; liberal
Funny that I haven't seen this reported by MAJOR US MEdia, isn't it?

SEE ALSO: Axe attack revenge for troops" http://www.expatica.com/actual/article.asp?subchannel_id=1&story_id=43748

Lawyer: Michigan man says he killed Dutch student with ax http://www.mlive.com/newsflash/michigan/index.ssf?/base/news-46/1189525236171280.xml&storylist=newsmichigan

1 posted on 09/11/2007 11:22:14 AM PDT by tcrlaf
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If the Dutch don’t have a death penalty we should offer to take our garbage back and do it for them.


2 posted on 09/11/2007 11:24:39 AM PDT by Sax
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Liberalism TRULY IS a mental disorder, and it peys on the the mentally fragile and unstable...

This is probably one of those clowns who couldn’t stand to live in America after Kerry’s loss...


3 posted on 09/11/2007 11:27:33 AM PDT by tcrlaf (You can lead a Liberal to LOGIC, but you can't make it THINK)
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This is a prime example of the caliber of people who make up the Democrat support base, and 3/4 of those elected to a Democrat seat share the same mental state.
4 posted on 09/11/2007 11:28:20 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: 3D-JOY; AGreatPer; Albion Wilde; AlwaysFree; Angelwood; Apple Blossom; beandog; BillF; bmwcyle; ...
My short list ping.

Leftwing peacnik violence.

5 posted on 09/11/2007 11:30:30 AM PDT by BufordP (Had Mexicans flown planes into the World Trade Center, Jorge Bush would have surrendered.)
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To: tcrlaf

I thought it was a bottle opener.


6 posted on 09/11/2007 11:31:49 AM PDT by JZelle
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To: tcrlaf
BDS is a very hugh and series disease!
7 posted on 09/11/2007 11:32:55 AM PDT by mickey finn
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To: tcrlaf

Already posted


8 posted on 09/11/2007 11:34:20 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1894774/posts


9 posted on 09/11/2007 11:35:21 AM PDT by BufordP (Had Mexicans flown planes into the World Trade Center, Jorge Bush would have surrendered.)
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Some Dutchman suggested that he “ax for help” in finding a U.S. soldier. More fallout from the Tower of Babel...


10 posted on 09/11/2007 11:39:52 AM PDT by tracer
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They are a peaceful people right?? Not SmileyCentral.com [Mrs T]
11 posted on 09/11/2007 11:45:48 AM PDT by trooprally (Never Give Up - Never Give In - Remember Our Troops)
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"If the Dutch don’t have a death penalty..."

They don't. They're soft on murder and on crime in general.

Hartmann was smart to commit his murder (to protest killing) there rather than in a place like Texas or Florida.

12 posted on 09/11/2007 11:46:58 AM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: trooprally

Show that to Doctor Raoul. I hadn’t noticed until a few moments later but he posted the same article a few moments before this one:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1894774/posts


13 posted on 09/11/2007 11:49:44 AM PDT by BufordP (Had Mexicans flown planes into the World Trade Center, Jorge Bush would have surrendered.)
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To: tracer
Some Dutchman suggested that he “ax for help” in finding a U.S. soldier. More fallout from the Tower of Babel...

Or he thought he was at the Audubon Zoo where they all ax for you.

14 posted on 09/11/2007 11:51:19 AM PDT by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Still Championship U)
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To: BufordP
OOPS!!! SmileyCentral.com [Mrs T]
15 posted on 09/11/2007 11:54:24 AM PDT by trooprally (Never Give Up - Never Give In - Remember Our Troops)
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