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Ron Paul: 'U.S. Has Dug a Hole for Itself in Iraq' (Johns Hopkins Speech Today)
ABC News ^ | September 11, 2007

Posted on 09/11/2007 10:52:54 AM PDT by Austin Willard Wright

ABC News' Nitya Venkataraman and Nancy Flores report: While his 2008 rivals in Washington, D.C. spent the morning in congressional panels debating the future of US involvement in Iraq, GOP Presidential candidate Rep. Ron Paul charged the U.S. has "dug a hole for [itself]" in Iraq, and simultaneously defended his anti-war place in the Republican party and jabbed the current administration saying, "you don't have to be a war monger to be a conservative."

At a policy forum at Johns Hopkins University in Washington, D.C., Paul described Iraq as a "preemptive war" saying it was a "planned invasion and occupation" of a "country that was no threat to us whatsoever."

What might seem like bold rhetoric from the fiery Texas Republican on the anniversary of a historic day is actually nothing new for Paul. His assertions at the forum were consistent with his presidential platform and congressional career, both of which draw heavily from libertarian and constitutionalist ideals.

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To: mnehrling
Duncan Hunter is 90% right on domestic and 90% right on national security, he also isn’t good enough..

Duncan Hunter just plain can't win for the same reason Paul won't: House members that are not in leadership positions (Speaker or Minority Leader) don't have a large enough base to run for the Presidency, and they don't have executive experience to run on.

If Hunter runs and wins a Senate seat (fat chance in CA) or gets elected Governor and can somehow corral the Demo legislature, that will make him a threat.

61 posted on 09/11/2007 11:29:40 AM PDT by L.N. Smithee ("Norman Hsu:" Chinese for "Abramoff")
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To: L.N. Smithee
O'Reilly, of all people, cleaned his Paul's clock Monday night

Good point. You know you are in trouble when an utter tool like O'Reilly makes you look stupid.

62 posted on 09/11/2007 11:30:21 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: Austin Willard Wright

This primary race is like the Red Sox and the Yankees emptying their dugouts and brawling. I’ve been watching and reading about all the candidates. This statement from Ron Paul seals his fate with me. What’s he going to do next? Tell General Petraeus how to do his job?


63 posted on 09/11/2007 11:32:29 AM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (Midnight Hallway Hockey scores: Cats 3-Humans 0)
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To: Brilliant
Well you definitely have to respect an independent mind like Paul. Unfortunately, the time to oppose the war was when we went into it. To his credit, Paul voted against it. Now that we are there, though, I think the cut and run makes little sense.

Bears repeating, and I agree with it 100%. I agree with a lot of Paul's domestic stands. And while I still think we did the right thing in principle by overthrowing Saddam, I can understand and respect his opposition to it. But the fact is that we are over there, like it or not. Cutting and running is not an option. The debate should be over different options to give us a victory there, not how soon we should declare defeat (which is what Paul and some of his fellow paleocons of the Buchananite wing would have us do).

}:-)4

64 posted on 09/11/2007 11:32:47 AM PDT by Moose4 (I will never forget. I will never forgive.)
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To: Austin Willard Wright
I find it disturbing that not ONE response to this thread has a cogent rebuttal to what Paul says. Reading over the thread is like watching the Jerry Springer show.

If anyone who has a logical, reasoned argument that supports why Paul is such a "screwball", that would certainly be interesting to read.

65 posted on 09/11/2007 11:33:39 AM PDT by deaconblues
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To: Austin Willard Wright

Dear Ron Paul

Evil exists and must be crushed, defeated and eradicated. There is no understanding it, or reasoning with it, or appeasing it, or backing away from it. We will kill it, or it will kill us, it is that simple.


66 posted on 09/11/2007 11:35:03 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: Nathan Zachary

“What baffles me is how he got any Republican votes in the first place.”

Uh, because he is for federal government that conforms to it’s constitutional role. He is anti-abortion and pro-gun. He wants to cut taxes and get rid of bloated government bureaucracy. He is against spending borrowed money like drunken sailors. He believes that only congress has the authority to mint and issue money and many other things that Republicans used to support.


67 posted on 09/11/2007 11:35:14 AM PDT by fish70
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To: Allegra
I agree, but since that veil has been pierced, I can now get something of my chest...

To the Move.orgs, Cindy Sheehans, Dem congress critters, Kos kids, Code Pinkos, and most of all Ron Paul and his merry band of misfit toys, I would like to quote to you a simple verse, one just recently shared with you by the esteemed creator of this very site:

"UP YOURS"

68 posted on 09/11/2007 11:35:16 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (I don't use a sarcasm tag, it kills the effect...)
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To: ksen

Statement by the founder of Free Republic:

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Therefore, we wholeheartedly support the Bush Doctrine of pre-emptive strikes on known terrorist states and organizations that are believed to present a clear threat to our freedom or national security. We support our military, our troops and our Commander-in-Chief and we oppose turning control of our government back over to the liberals and socialists who favor appeasement, weakness, and subserviency. We do not believe in surrendering to the terrorists as France, Germany, Russia and Spain have done and as Kerry, Kennedy, Clinton and the Democrats, et al, are proposing.

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69 posted on 09/11/2007 11:39:23 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (I don't use a sarcasm tag, it kills the effect...)
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To: demshateGod
Seriously, I don’t remember anyone ever saying the war would pay for itself in oil.

I think this canard can be traced to John Kampfner, a UK radical left journalist who covers the Middle East and specializes in pro-Palestinian propaganda as editor of The New Statesman.

Kampfner wrote a series of articles about the Bush White House and the run up to the liberation of Iraq, in which he claimed that his unnamed sources informed him that Paul Wolfowitz expressed the opinion that Iraqi oil production might in some way help to offset the costs of the war.

Even if Kampfner was a reliable source, one presidential adviser throwing out a random suggestion in a private meeting hardly equates to predicting that "the war would pay for itself via oil."

70 posted on 09/11/2007 11:40:32 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: deaconblues
"If anyone who has a logical, reasoned argument that supports why Paul is such a "screwball", that would certainly be interesting to read."

You asked, you shall receive...

Ron Paul warns of staged terror attack

Please also observe that Ron Paul is frequently a guest on the Alex Jones show. Alex Jones is a leading propagator of 9/11 kook conspiracies.

71 posted on 09/11/2007 11:41:27 AM PDT by lormand
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To: L.N. Smithee
I know, the point was how Paul is held up as some uberConstitutionalist, uberConservative who is supposedly different and most of the other candidates are labeled as RINOs pr are just not Conservative enough (in comparison to Paul), yet, if you left the names and rhetoric out and just stuck the voting records out there, people may have a different take.

For example, of these four, identify who's voting record each is.

A.

B.

C.

D.

Answer: A. Fred Thompson, B. Rudy Guiliani, C. Ron Paul, D. Joe Lieberman - Source: http://www.ontheissues.org C.

72 posted on 09/11/2007 11:41:30 AM PDT by mnehring (Thompson/Hunter '08- Time to have the real men in charge!)
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To: NascentDocent

“Ron Paul makes a lot of sense. I wonder if we are seeing the repeat of the 1850’s and the end of the Whigs, what with this split of Big Gov repubs with ideological conservatives.”

That is an intersting question. With the GOP mainstream supporting two North Eastern establishment liberals like Rudy Giuliani and Mitt Romney it is definately time for some sort of change. Having two wings of the Democratic Party (both support Statism)to choose a president from is getting old.


73 posted on 09/11/2007 11:42:19 AM PDT by fish70
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To: Austin Willard Wright

Who the Hell cares?

Ron Paul for dog catcher.

Not.


74 posted on 09/11/2007 11:43:42 AM PDT by Little Ray (Rudy Guiliani: If his wives can't trust him, why should we?)
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To: tomnbeverly
Typical like most liberals hate/blame Bush... The problem is that not enough people use context as in, WHERE WOULD WE BE IF BUSH HAD NOT ACTED... How many more American citizens would be dead....If Bush had not acted against Saddam Hussein in March 2003 and if Saddam had then (emboldened by UBL Success on 911) and gaining strength (read money) using the Oil For Food corruption scam.. either directly or indirectly funneled... (Money, Weapons, Assistance) to Al-Qaeda and then they performed another more grandiose attack on the U.S. what would the critics say then?

You're not asking the correct question.

Think GHWB, not GWB.

Ron Paul foreign policy would have ceded Kuwait as the 14th (?) provence of Iraq. Whether the Arabian peninsula would have been taken by force or simply the threat of Sadaam's vastly superior military, post US withdrawl from the Persian Gulf, can be debated.

However since 1991 you would have had Sadaam, with active WMD and terrorist training programs, astride over half the world's oil reserves. Half presuming he harbored no ambitions toward Iran.

I'm sure he would have simply sold us oil at discount prices, the region basking in peace, since the troops that weren't there before being invited in by the Saudis wouldn't be there, and our naval presence would be gone.

Neither the Soviets nor Chinese would perceive opportunity, any more than they will in the power vacumn left by an immediate withdrawl from the region today.

75 posted on 09/11/2007 11:45:13 AM PDT by SJackson (isolationism never was, never will be acceptable response to[expansionist] tyrannical governments)
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To: Austin Willard Wright

I really don’t want a “Shrimpocracy”.


76 posted on 09/11/2007 11:45:34 AM PDT by TexanToTheCore (If it ain't Rugby or Bullriding, it's for girls.........................................)
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To: ejonesie22
You sure you are on the right site?

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Yep.

Are you sure you are?

77 posted on 09/11/2007 11:46:19 AM PDT by ksen ("For an omniscient and omnipotent God, there are no Plan B's" - Frumanchu)
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To: ksen

Seems I am not at odds with either statement...

So...


78 posted on 09/11/2007 11:49:09 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (I don't use a sarcasm tag, it kills the effect...)
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To: ksen
FreeRepublic statement:We also oppose the United Nations or any other world government body that may attempt to impose its will or rule over our sovereign nation and sovereign people. We believe in defending our borders, our constitution and our national sovereignty.

Wasn't one of the justifications for the Iraq War to "enforce UN Security Council" resolutions?

79 posted on 09/11/2007 11:50:43 AM PDT by deaconblues
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To: lormand
Please also observe that Ron Paul is frequently a guest on the Alex Jones show.

When was the last time Ron Paul was on Alex Jones's radio show? The last date I can find is 5/31, over 3 months ago.

Alex Jones is a leading propagator of 9/11 kook conspiracies.

So what? Fred Thompson is a member of the CFR along with George Soros. Should I tar Fred with all of Soros' nuttiness?

80 posted on 09/11/2007 11:51:32 AM PDT by ksen ("For an omniscient and omnipotent God, there are no Plan B's" - Frumanchu)
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