Posted on 09/11/2007 8:20:43 AM PDT by blam
GGG Ping.
Thanks, blam. I am always interested in these articles.
I wonder what the Baltic village was like?
Also wonder what the climatological situation was in about 4,000 B.C.
Isn’t that about the same time frame in which Oetzi lived?
“it lies underwater in the middle of a lake”. Algore’s spokeman said that this only proves that ancient Swedes had scuba technology well before we thought possible.
And the world weeps for the loss of a glacier... several thousand years ago.
I do not understand this. Did they count the rings of a nearly 4,000-year-old tree that was still growing at the bottom of the lake?
This absurd answer is the only way I can come up with to use tree-ring-counting to date the construction to within a year. Otherwise some interpolation must be going on.
>>I do not understand this. Did they count the rings of a nearly 4,000-year-old tree that was still growing at the bottom of the lake?<<
No. Where in the article is a “still growing” tree mentioned? Rather, the scientists compared the rings still identifiable in cross-sections of fragments of the DEAD wood belonging to the find with established dendrochronological records relevant to that geographical region.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dendrochronology
At the risk of being obvious, nowhere.
That being the case, I must have meant something else, mustn't I?
That "something else" was to point out that the idea was patently absurd.
Simply counting the rings in a piece of dead log provides no useful data, in the absence of context. What was missing from the article (and also missing from my understanding) was the context.
Thank you for the link.
Thank you.
Erosion my foot! These poor souls were done in by global warming.
Obligatory "Bush's fault."
Professor Mike Baillie has done some interesting work in dendrochronology.
"Archaeologist and palaeoecologist with research interests in dendrochronological and chronological issues. Teaches chronological and environmental issues in palaeoecology plus human evolution. Research record in tree-ring chronology construction for radiocarbon calibration and reconstruction of past environmental change."
In some regions, yes.
Otzi the Iceman (also spelled Oetzi) (pronounced [ˈøːtsiː], ur'-tsee), Frozen Fritz, and Similaun Man are modern nicknames of a well-preserved natural mummy of a man from about 3300 BC (53 centuries ago),[1] found in 1991 in the Schnalstal glacier in the Ãtztal Alps, near Hauslabjoch on the border between Austria and Italy."
Unearthed, The Prince Of Stonehenge
"The body was laid to rest 4,300 years ago during the construction of the monument, along with stone arrow heads and slate wristguards that protected the arm from the recoil of the bow. Archaeologists named him the Amesbury Archer. "
Subsequent studies on this guys teeth indicated that he immigrated from Switzerland.
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Anyone 'round here know the name of that show? That sounds like the rare sort of TV show that I might be interested in sitting through...
"Mike Baillie is Professor of Palaeoecology at Queens University, Belfast, Northern Ireland. He is an authority on tree rings and their use in dating ancient events (every year, a tree adds a "ring" to its trunk as it grows - good years are represented by thick rings while bad years are represented by thin rings).
He conducted a complete (and continuous) review of annual global tree growth patterns over the last 5,000 years and found that there were five major environmental shocks that were witnessed worldwide. These shocks were reflected in the ring widths being very thin. Wanting to know more, he turned to human historical records, and found that the years in question (between 2354 and 2345 BC, 1628 and 1623 BC, 1159 and 1141 BC, 208 and 204 BC, and AD 536 and 545) all corresponded with "dark ages" in civilisation. "
Your post does not imply that there aren’t still bodies of floating tree-ring data that have yet to be anchored.
The Middle Bronze Age hiatus in the northern Alpine region is one of the most intriguing occupational gaps within the whole lake-dwelling chronology. A particular feature of this abandonment is that it seems to have occurred fairly suddenly. Proof of this hypothesis comes from three lacustrine sites situated on two of the main northern Alpine lakes, namely Lake Constance and Lake Zurich. Archaeological as well as environmental analyses show that Bodman-Schachen 1 (Lake Constance), Arbon-Bleiche 2 (Lake Constance) and ZH-Mozartstrasse (Lake Zurich) were all deserted within a time span of five years in the last decade of the sixteenth century BC. But, if there was indeed an abrupt change in climate, how could the various lakes and in particular Lake Constance and Lake Zurich have responded in the same way to climatic variability? ...
Location of Middle Bronze Age former lake-dwellings in the Kreuzlingen region, Lake Constance
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