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Slew of bills face deadline - Some measures passed, such as microstamping bullets to ID crime guns
Sacramento Bee ^ | 9/11/7 | Jim Sanders

Posted on 09/11/2007 8:00:55 AM PDT by SmithL

Facing hundreds of bills in the waning days of this year's legislative session, lawmakers sent to the governor Monday measures targeting issues from firearm microstamping to child booster seats.

Other proposals that cleared their final legislative hurdle are designed to tighten security of electronic databases, restrict the state's investments in Iran and create an energy-efficiency standard for common light bulbs.

The microstamping measure, Assembly Bill 1471, would make California the first state to require makers of new models of semiautomatic pistols, after January 2010, to etch the gun make, model and serial number on each cartridge fired.

Assemblyman Mike Feuer, D-Los Angeles, touted the bill as an effective way to crack down on violent crime by linking casings found at a shooting scene to the weapon that fired them.

"This bill is being watched not only around the nation, but around the world," Feuer said.

The Assembly debated AB 1471 for more than 30 minutes before finally concurring in Senate amendments, 43-29, and sending the bill to Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger. The vote was largely along party lines, with most Republicans opposed.

Opponents questioned the effectiveness of AB 1471, claiming that criminals simply would steal guns, use older models or alter the microstamping technology to avoid detection.

The bottom line, critics said, is that requiring microstamping would increase the price of semiautomatic firearms to legitimate gun owners without deterring violent criminals.

(Excerpt) Read more at sacbee.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: ab1471; banglist; calegislature; callegislation; microstamping
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1 posted on 09/11/2007 8:00:59 AM PDT by SmithL
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“The microstamping measure, Assembly Bill 1471, would make California the first state to require makers of new models of semiautomatic pistols, after January 2010, to etch the gun make, model and serial number on each cartridge fired.”

And California surges into the lead in the race to Stupid...

TC


2 posted on 09/11/2007 8:02:31 AM PDT by Pentagon Leatherneck
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To: SmithL

Microstamping bullets? Stupid idea.


3 posted on 09/11/2007 8:04:26 AM PDT by Leg Olam
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To: Lee Heggy123

I remember reading on here that it’s an ineffective and quite expensive thing to do.


4 posted on 09/11/2007 8:07:26 AM PDT by wastedyears (George Orwell was a clairvoyant.)
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To: Lee Heggy123
Actually, it’s not stupid at all...it’s a brilliant way to PREVENT manufactures from selling ANY ammo in CA, there by using laws to limit trade on Ammo to circumvent the 2nd amendment....sneaky, slimy snakes these left wingers.
5 posted on 09/11/2007 8:08:28 AM PDT by rightwingextremist1776
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To: Pentagon Leatherneck

Somebody was watching Judge Dredd and forgot that it’s science fiction.


6 posted on 09/11/2007 8:08:51 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: SmithL
Also...

[California]Senate approves bill to 'microstamp' pistol cartridges
7 posted on 09/11/2007 8:10:00 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: SmithL

This would be a great way to get away with murder in CA. Use a faked or false # on shells you spread around after catching the ones used to kill someone.

You can take out 2 enemies at once that way. The framed one and the one you kill.

Liberal thinking at its finest there.


8 posted on 09/11/2007 8:12:27 AM PDT by Tolsti
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To: SmithL

I wonder if this can be challenged in Federal Court as a state-imposed impediment to interstate trade under the Commerce Clause? Constitutional lawyers please sound off.


9 posted on 09/11/2007 8:16:04 AM PDT by Ancesthntr
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To: SmithL

People still use revolvers.


10 posted on 09/11/2007 8:16:50 AM PDT by FoxInSocks
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For clarification, the ammo isn’t pre-stamped. The firearm itself creates the microstamp when fired, thus littering your favorite range with forensic evidence pointing to you, and free for the taking.


11 posted on 09/11/2007 8:21:18 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: rightwingextremist1776

It won’t do a thing to gun owners such as myself that either do their own reloading or primarily favor black powder firearms.


12 posted on 09/11/2007 8:22:34 AM PDT by Leg Olam
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To: SmithL

This bill has only one intent and that is to prohibit lawfull persons from buying semi-auto handguns.

Gun control is like trying to reduce drunk driving by making it tougher for sober people to own cars.


13 posted on 09/11/2007 8:27:49 AM PDT by umgud
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What is to prevent people from replacing or filing down the firing pins, or criminals from collecting brass casings fired by others and dropping them at the scene of a crime, or from using weapons purchased in other states? More laws....of, course.

Want to reduce crime? Then punish the people who commit them ! But no, apparently California's legislators want to continue providing criminals with greater legal protection than their victims.

14 posted on 09/11/2007 8:28:53 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (Kill the terrorists, secure the borders, and give me back my freedoms.)
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To: Pentagon Leatherneck
And California surges into the lead in the race to Stupid...

You ain't kiddin'. I suppose that this means that these data must be stamped in the brass casing when the shell is discharged, but what of it? The casing is not what hits the target anyway, and you're never going to be able to tag the bullet like that, nor connect it reliably with any particular fired shell casing. Assuming that the shooter didn't bother to collect his brass afterwards, just before helpfully planting some which would implicate somebody else.

As another poster pointed out, this is not about solving crimes, it's about putting an undue burden on the manufacture of weapons, as an end run around the Second Amendment.

15 posted on 09/11/2007 8:28:56 AM PDT by thulldud (Millete adi politikacilar gibi yalanci vaadlerde bulunmaktan nefret ederiz. -- (Ataturk))
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To: umgud

It’s called a brass-catcher.


16 posted on 09/11/2007 8:30:22 AM PDT by DirtyPigpen
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To: andy58-in-nh

“There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power government has is the power to crack down on criminals. When there aren’t enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.”


17 posted on 09/11/2007 8:34:28 AM PDT by US_MilitaryRules (All my bullets are dipped in PIG fat. How about yours?)
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To: SpaceBar
The firearm itself creates the microstamp when fired, thus littering your favorite range with forensic evidence pointing to you,

Now you have it. Betcha ten bucks there will be "exempt" firearms for "law enforcement only." No way they should have to obey the law of mere commoners...

Jail is too good for those responsible. They are infringing Citizens 2nd A. right via terroristic undertones. Of course, it being mexifornia it will not be long before anyone there will miss the Rights of American Citizenship. There will not be anyone left that actually knew what they were or had them to begin with.

18 posted on 09/11/2007 8:42:26 AM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: US_MilitaryRules

Atlas does need to shrug more frequently.


19 posted on 09/11/2007 8:44:47 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (Kill the terrorists, secure the borders, and give me back my freedoms.)
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To: SmithL

LEO guns, however, would be EXEMPT from this requirement! What an OUTRAGE!!!


20 posted on 09/11/2007 8:53:49 AM PDT by 2harddrive (...House a TOTAL Loss.....)
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