The T-90S
The Arjun
Posted on 09/10/2007 10:13:38 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
The T-90S
The Arjun
2,250 crore India rupees is roughly equal to 500 million USD.
The real reason for cancelling the trials is that if, in head-to-head trials, the Arjun proved to be the better tank, there was no way the project could be buried with an order of only 124 tanks. Instead, the army’s entire tank procurement programme would need to be reworked;
***I see that ridiculous decisions are not the sole property of the US armed services. Some tinhorn bureaucrats don’t want a superior, domestic weapons program because they would have too much paperwork.
The Indian army does have some valid reasons to be hesitant about the Arjun other than an unwillingness to change & the all pervasive influence of the pro-Russian lobby.
1.The Arjun has a 4 man crew compared to the3 on the existing T-72 & 90 tanks.That means changing your manning & training procedures on a pretty large scale.
2.They use different engines-so difficult maintainance.
3.The Arjun uses a 120 mm rifled bore gun-the Russian tanks use a 125 mm smooth bore gun.So two different sets of ammo.
4.The Arjun is too big to be transported on the Army existing rail cars,which were developed for the Russian tanks or be carried on the IL-76 aircraft.So it would have difficulty deploying unless the army comes up with something different.
And look at the sides of the turret! Straight up-and-down, instead of sharply sloped like most other tanks. I’d guess it’s vulnerable to armour-piercing rounds. although I know nothing about the Arjun’s design.
Looks like India is outsourcing it’s tank production.(:-)
The Arjun started off with German assistance-some refer to it as the Leopard-I(I for India).
It looks like it.
I had thought that the Arjun had been canceled. I was surprised that they were still planning to buy a couple of hundred of them.
Is there any chance we would be getting this tanks. If this is actually superior to the T-90 then the only way for this tank to go is to be part of the Indian Army inventory (for many good reasons).
What do you think are the chances for this tank?
Is there any chance we would be getting this tanks. If this is actually superior to the T-90 then the only way for this tank to go is to be part of the Indian Army inventory (for many good reasons).
What do you think are the chances for this tank?
Is the T90) an evolution upgrade for the T80?
IIRC a Bushmaster 25mm shell will take out a T80 most every time.....
Vladimir Putin is deeply saddened
Nope-it’s very unlikely that the Arjun will be cancelled.Too much money has been invested & any government which tries to pull the plug will land in hot water.What will probably happen is that the government & army will go down the middle path-order a few more batches of Arjun tanks in addition to the existing order for 124.This looks possible as the Indian defence minister declared in Parliament a week or so ago that French & German experts were helping in correcting defects in it & more upgrades come along.It’s likely that ‘Hi-Lo’ strategy will be evolved for having a small number of Arjun tanks (less than a 1000) along with a larger number of T-72/90 tanks.
Nope,the T-90 is a beefed up T-72 with better protection,electronics & weaponry.The T-80 was too expensive to produce in mass numbers due to it’s gas turbine propulsion.
About the Bushmaster,well when did it take out a T-80??The tank has hardly seen any combat.
The Arjun is better than the T-90 for the same reasons that Western tanks like the Abrams & Leopard-2 are better than Russian ones.You cannot cram the T-90 beyond a point.The Arjun won’t be procured in large numbers-it’s more expensive(almost twice as much as the T-90) & you would need to make massive infrastructure changes to accomodate it.Don’t think the Army is prepared for that.
Thank you - musta been T72s then, saw photos (from son) of T series tank he said had been taken out by Bushmaster/Bradley.
Was wondering if T90 was as weak on flank/rear.
Will look further on web.
Interesting trivia about the Arjun-
The original project drawn up in the 70s was for a 40 ton tank with a 105 mm gun.This was changed in the 80s to the current configuration given that the Pakis were evaluating the Abrams M1A1.Zia Ul Haq,along with the then American ambassador to Pakistan were killed in an air crash in 1988,after both witnessed an Abrams demo.
Likely to be T-72.The T-80s were not exported till after the 1st Gulf war.
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