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To: Cicero

Brother listen, this is a friendly head’s up...if you want to stay locked into the choice of believing [see not knowing] a manmade catholic faith, then you do not want engage me on the issue of the truth.

I’m not trying to be cocky but it is what it is...I’m just letting you know.

Simon or Peter or Shimon or Keipha or Cephas depending upon who you are...after being reinstated in the faith by Jesus himself, eventually travelled Joppa, Lydia, Ninevah [along with Thomas], Antioch [where we were first termed Christians-not Rome], Corinth, Tripolis and Caesarea [to name a few] and served as a witness for Jesus Christ in a great many places and established physical churches in doing so.

The notion that one of the later churches [that claims] Peter assisted in establishing them has somehow cornered the market on revelation and established a system of administration that runs contrary to the Bible itself, is laughable to the point of derision and is simply to be dismissed out of hand.

Outright rejection of the Word coupled with willful ignorance maintains the notion that a born in sin individual is somehow infallible in any aspect of his personal life or ministry.
It is a catholic doctrine [see man made] that is 180 degrees contrary to the Bible and in the end just plain comical.

As an aside, I find it amusing that the very individual that the catholic church claims as it’s head, was himself a married man...yet, the catholic church has long since instituted a moronic rule that prevents the very men charged with ministering the catholic doctrine from having the same.

You guys have gotten so far off the reservation that you are more like the scribes, sadducees [Tsdoki] and pharisees [prushim] that opposed Jesus than you are Jesus himself.

Sad but true.

I’d venture an educated guess that He [Jesus] could stroll right into The Basilica of St. John Lateran, begin ministering the Word and a great many of you would immediately begin gnashing your teeth, beating your chests, covering your ears and in a furious, self-righteous rage...

...accuse him of heresy.


64 posted on 09/11/2007 8:43:05 AM PDT by VaBthang4 ("He Who Watches Over Israel Will Neither Slumber Nor Sleep")
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To: VaBthang4

As would many protestants.


66 posted on 09/11/2007 8:48:03 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: VaBthang4; Cicero
Outright rejection of the Word coupled with willful ignorance maintains the notion that a born in sin individual is somehow infallible in any aspect of his personal life or ministry.

Dear friend, to which religious denomination do you belong that you should believe the screed you have just posted?

Because the Old and New Testament Scriptures are the divinely-revealed, written Word of God, Catholics venerate the Scriptures as they venerate the Lord's body. But Catholics do not believe that God has given us His divine Revelation in Christ exclusively through Scripture. Catholics also believe that God's Revelation comes to us through the Apostolic Tradition and teaching authority of the Church.

What Church? Scripture reveals this Church to be the one Jesus Christ built upon the rock of Saint Peter (Matt. 16:18). By giving Peter the keys of authority (Matt. 16:19), Jesus appointed Peter as the chief steward over His earthly kingdom (cf. Isaiah. 22:19-22). Jesus also charged Peter to be the source of strength for the rest of the apostles (Luke 22:32) and the earthly shepherd of Jesus' flock (John 21:15-17). Jesus further gave Peter, and the apostles and elders in union with him, the power to bind and loose in heaven what they bound and loosed on earth. (Matt. 16:19; 18:18). This teaching authority did not die with Peter and the apostles, but was transferred to future bishops through the laying on of hands (e.g., Acts 1:20; 6:6; 13:3; 8:18; 9:17; 1 Tim. 4:14; 5:22; 2 Tim. 1:6).

By virtue of this divinely-appointed authority, the Catholic Church determined the canon of Scripture (what books belong in the Bible) at the end of the fourth century. We therefore believe in the Scriptures on the authority of the Catholic Church. After all, nothing in Scripture tells us what Scriptures are inspired, what books belong in the Bible, or that Scripture is the final authority on questions concerning the Christian faith. Instead, the Bible says that the Church, not the Scriptures, is the pinnacle and foundation of the truth

71 posted on 09/11/2007 9:57:27 AM PDT by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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