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To: Malacoda

They will never discover a homosexual gene because it DOES NOT EXIST. If it did, it would be a recessive gene and would have been extinguished due to non-reproduction thousands of years ago.

The left talks about a “gay gene” as a way to legitimize sodomy.


14 posted on 09/09/2007 9:55:13 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Oh, I know it will never legitimately be discovered, as it’s nonexistent —however, I’m sure they’ll try to put SOMEthing out as a “gay gene.”


21 posted on 09/09/2007 2:06:36 PM PDT by Malacoda (A day without a pi$$ed-off muslim is like a day without sunshine.)
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To: wagglebee
There might not be a "gay gene" (or group of genes), but ----as Albert Mohler pointed out in recent column--- there may be tests to monitor for pre-natal (but not necessarily genetic) conditions which predispose male babies to develop in an abnormally feminized way, e.g. because of skewed hormone levels in the womb before birth.

This wouldn't necessarily "make" the child grow up gay, but it could possibly give him a tendency to certain disorders. It seems to work that way with sheep, anyway --- like rams that wanna rut with other rams (I'm serious.)

So it's possible that an abnormal hormone balance could be detected, say in mid-pregnanc,) and the mother could correct it by (theoretically) wearing a hormone patch that normalizes the proportions of testosterone or androgens or whatever.

And the same pre-natal diagnostics might motivate an abortion-minded mother to just kill the baby.

This is all hypothetical at this point. But it's strange: the gays may find that their only real friends are the social conservatives. The only ones who can be trusted not to kill them outright before they're born.

27 posted on 09/09/2007 3:34:13 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Mammalia Primatia Hominidae Homo sapiens. Still working on the "sapiens" part.)
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To: wagglebee
“They will never discover a homosexual gene because it DOES NOT EXIST. If it did, it would be a recessive gene and would have been extinguished due to non-reproduction thousands of years ago.”

In essence, I agree. However...

This has for years been a controversial subject, and it is important to note that homosexuality as we know it most often manifests itself as a BEHAVIOR... Behavior can be programmed by genes (we call it instinct), but as everyone who’s ever made a decision they weren’t happy with knows: as humans we can choose to control our behavior.

There are plenty of recessive genes that are alive and well today. Blonde hair and blue eyes are both recessive traits, but they show no signs of going away. Five fingers is a recessive trait.. Polydactyly, the possession of six fingers on each hand, is dominant and yet also considered a disorder.

The thing is, to acquire a recessive trait one of your parents has to have it, even if the trait is not manifested in them. A trait that discourages reproduction, as you stated, would not go far. However...

Research, aimed at determining whether or not homosexuality is genetic, has identified that the hypothalamus of gay men often has more female components than their straight counterparts. The hypothalamus is responsible for releasing or triggering a number of hormones, including those associated with sexual development and behavior.

The fact that homosexuality tends to run in families (potential molestation not taken into account), as well as in other species, is what has led many to look for a “gay gene.” In fact, what the evidence more likely suggests is that homosexuality is a birth defect of sorts where the hypothalamus doesn’t quite develop properly.

Male fantasies aside, this imbalance is more readily evident in lesbians than it is in gay men... If I suggested a lesbian to you the image of a big, burly woman wearing flannel would not be far behind.

To that extent, the “gay gene” is real. Almost everybody’s met someone who insisted they were straight but you knew damn well they weren’t just from their mannerisms and attributes. Often these people end up ruining their lives, and those of their loved ones, by tricking someone into a sham marriage in the hopes of being ‘normal.’ These people’s spouses almost always “should have seen the warning signs.” Congresscritters Craig and Foley were suspected by some for years of being homosexual despite showing no overt signs.

There are ethical quandries... Should homosexuality be treated as a birth defect? Even if it is, should that require homosexuals to be treated differently? How does that reflect on “born” homosexuals versus men and women who chose (for whatever reason, molestation or convenience) to be gay?

Some have hypothesized that diet, or pollution, or even chemicals in certain makeups, are responsible for the changing speed of sexual development in American children, which is in turn directed by the pituitary gland hanging off the (you guessed it) hypothalamus. Could similar elements be responsible for the continuation of homosexuality, by interfering with proper development of the hypothalamus?

And, most importantly, why did I feel the need to type any of this? Maybe someone can get a free 500 word essay out of it.

34 posted on 09/09/2007 10:59:11 PM PDT by COgamer
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