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To: go-dubya-04

>>Here’s the deal: I was an Economics major and not a brilliant chemist. From my understanding, RF waves are not the same as electricity. Correct me if I am wrong on that.
You can say it is the same theory but RF waves and electricity are not the same. Please show me (since this is such common knowledge) where someone has previously used this method to the same effect. Rememeber - not electricity but RF.<<

Bear in mind I’m not knocking the coolness of the experiment. I’m helping build a science lab in a few weeks and this would be an excellent demonstration.

And its a valid area to be looking at at. We need ways to produce, store and distribute hydrogen. Even though all current methods, including this one, are inefficient, work continues. For theoretical reasons you probably don’t care about this one will never create new energy but if fine tuned the losses might be small enough to be useful.

Without more info I can’t tell you if this exact method has been used. There are a number of patents of extracting elements, including hydrogen from compounds, including water using RF. Chang Yul Cha holds several of them but his patents reference patents back to the 80’s and work on RF hydrogen production going back to the 60’s.

Here is one that is semi-straight forward.

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6783632.html

Now whether this is different enough to be distinct from previous work I don’t know. BTW RF is also used on fossil fuels to extract hydrogen but as with water the losses from converting electricity into RF and then zapping the gas are not practical, yet. Good question though.


84 posted on 09/09/2007 1:21:41 PM PDT by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words)
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To: gondramB
You can say it is the same theory but RF waves and electricity are not the same.

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Radio Frequency (RF waves) ARE the same energy as the electro-magnetic energy that created them ! (Different frequency, of course). RF waves are CREATED from electricity in the microwave “horn” or airport tower radar transmitter or airplane radio transmitter or CB radio or commercial radio transmission tower and transmitter or cell phone transmitter. The only difference is in the amount of energy transmitted.

ALL of these transmitters have (significant) losses changing the input electrical power into RF energy. (Try running your cell phone for a few days without recharging it: the total energy in your cell phone is ALL the energy available in the device: If you hook up that cell phone battery to a 120 volt inverter/converter and plug in your microwave and refrigerator, you can heat your lunch and serve your buddies a cold six pack. For a short time, at least.)

115 posted on 09/10/2007 4:45:55 AM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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