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To: go-dubya-04
go-dubya-04 said: "Please show me (since this is such common knowledge) where someone has previously used this method to the same effect. Rememeber - not electricity but RF."

Inductively coupled plasmas generated using RF signals are routinely used in vacuum deposition systems for creating semiconductor products of many types. None of them violates the basic laws of thermodynamics; that energy is neither created nor destroyed. (If nuclear processes are involved, then it is the total of energy and mass which is conserved.)

You must understand that there have been NO violations of this principle scientifically demonstrated during the century in which the principles have been understood. And this, despite chemical and nuclear processes being used in many tens of thousands of applications.

The amount of energy released when hydrogen and oxygen combine to make water is well understood. That same energy is released when the water is broken down into hydrogen and oxygen. But there is no practical way to capture ALL of the energy during either chemical process. Since the idea is to "burn" the hydrogen by combining it with oxygen, the energy released CANNOT be greater than the energy which is initially used to separate the water molecule.

There is absolutely NOTHING remarkable contained in the posted article, with the possible exception that the authors have attempted to suggest that the energy balance might violate energy conservation. But you will note that there are no numbers to justify such a conclusion.

Furthermore, the article states:"This is the most abundant element in the world. It is everywhere," Dr. Roy said of salt water. "Seeing it burn gives me chills."

Suggesting that salt water is an "element" is nonsense incompatible with possessing a degree in chemistry. Also, assuming that hydrogen is being generated, there is nothing in burning it that would cause any scientist to have "chills".

Also, you should recognize that there is an agenda behind publishing articles like this. The agenda is to keep alive the notion that science is at the verge of a breakthrough that will permit a dramatic reduction in the use of fossil fuels and that mankind will then be able to reduce greenhouse gases and the world will be saved from catastrophic warming.

There is no such breakthrough expected. Adopting the reductions in use of fossil fuels being urged by the alarmists will destroy western economies.

70 posted on 09/09/2007 10:36:11 AM PDT by William Tell (RKBA for California (rkba.members.sonic.net) - Volunteer by contacting Dave at rkba@sonic.net)
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To: William Tell

You make my point perfectly. I did not ask for a lecture on the basic laws of thermodynamics but I got one anyway, just to shw everyone how smart we all are.
If you will note my previous posts, instead of jumping the gun to lecture me on thermdynamics, I never said that matter was created or destroyed; never said this was a free energy luch; just made the point (once again proven) that the re are many FR who love to show others how smart they are when ever a subject like this comes up.


73 posted on 09/09/2007 11:09:57 AM PDT by go-dubya-04
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