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Calif. GOP divided over Schwarzenegger speech, future
AP on Bakersfield Californian ^ | 9/8/07 | Michael R. Blood - ap

Posted on 09/08/2007 9:00:23 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

Political fissures divided state Republicans Saturday as they faced questions about the future of a party that Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger says has lost its way.

At a state GOP convention, a committee made only incremental headway trying to craft a new platform while some members angrily complained about being shut out or misled.

And a day after Schwarzenegger declared the party had lost the political middle ground and was "dying at the box office," state party Chairman Ron Nehring did respond directly when asked if he agreed with the governor's assessment.

"We are a big party," Nehring told reporters, without specifically commenting on Schwarzenegger's remarks. Nehring later added, "If any party has lost the middle ground in America, it's the Democrats."

Schwarzenegger on Friday provided a grim assessment of his party's standing in California, saying it needed to appeal to independents or risk being relegated to the political margins. He said the party had lost 120,000 registered voters in eight months, and more than 370,000 since 2005.

Schwarzenegger, a Republican centrist, argued that the party needed to attract new voters by tackling issues with broad public appeal, like global warming. Otherwise, voters "will look elsewhere," he said.

Reaction was mixed. The speech underscored long-standing differences between Schwarzenegger and conservatives in his party, who have differed on state spending, debt and social issues.

"Arnold Schwarzenegger and the Republican Party have been a marriage of convenience from the beginning," said conservative Michael Schroeder, a former party chairman. "Nothing he expressed in his speech enjoys majority support in the Republican Party, and never will."

Asked about Schwarzenegger's speech, presidential contender John McCain, who addressed delegates earlier, said the party needed to "regain the trust of the American people."

"I don't think it's our message, it's our actions," McCain said, pointing to problems after Hurricane Katrina, corruption and runaway federal spending.

Schwarzenegger has urged the party to open its February presidential primary to the state's 3 million independent voters. Democrats allow independents to vote in the presidential primary, and in his speech Friday the governor warned those voters could be lost in November.

But a proposal to open the primary appeared unlikely to be considered at the three-day convention, officials said.

On another front, Schwarzenegger recently proposed distilling the state GOP platform - the party's statement of core values - into as little as a single page focusing on lowering taxes, limiting the size of government and building a strong national defense. That proposal, in a letter to party members, made no mention of abortion, gay marriage or other social issues that often divide party members.

After a long debate Saturday, a committee working on the platform agreed to send several competing drafts to a subcommittee for consideration. Some members complained about being excluded, or having little time to examine the drafts. Others questioned whether enough women or minorities were being included among those working on the drafts.

Committee member Alex Vassar said the meeting amounted to a "parliamentary stalling tactic" that left him disillusioned.

"The process is not working," he said.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: cagop; california; divided; future; leftward; progressive; schwarzenegger; trojanhorse
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"Arnold Schwarzenegger and the Republican Party have been a marriage of convenience from the beginning," said conservative Michael Schroeder, a former party chairman. "Nothing he expressed in his speech enjoys majority support in the Republican Party, and never will."

Asked about Schwarzenegger's speech, presidential contender John McCain, who addressed delegates earlier, said the party needed to "regain the trust of the American people."

"I don't think it's our message, it's our actions," McCain said, pointing to problems after Hurricane Katrina, corruption and runaway federal spending.

1 posted on 09/08/2007 9:00:24 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

The message is muddled too, John.


2 posted on 09/08/2007 9:03:58 PM PDT by The Ghost of Rudy McRomney (It's always open season on RHINOs(yes, I use an "H" in it))
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To: NormsRevenge
So, the theory is that if we’re almost impossible to tell apart from wackouted liberals, we’d gain voters? Gosh, why doesn’t that make sense?

The lack of developing up and coming members of the party is what hurts the most.

3 posted on 09/08/2007 9:04:43 PM PDT by kingu (No, I don't use sarcasm tags - it confuses people.)
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To: kingu

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger is an idiot. It is the one thing the California GOP agrees on.


4 posted on 09/08/2007 9:07:43 PM PDT by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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aRnold and his followers and handlers would tell you that he delivered us all into a better place after the turmoil we experienced at the start of the 3rd millennium,, others would say he has guaranteed that we will carry a large debt into the foreseeable future and are expected to accept it as good and reasonable to do so.

at this point , it is very difficult to see how he speaks for many on the right, even as he coddles so many on the left.

California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger speaks at the California Republican Party convention in Indian Wells, Calif., Friday, Sept. 7, 2007. (AP Photo/Reed Saxon)

5 posted on 09/08/2007 9:08:21 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline—1-866-DHS-2-ICE)
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Thank goodness,, He ‘won’t be bock!’

Can we survive him much less afford him until 2010 is the question we ought be asking, imo.


6 posted on 09/08/2007 9:09:32 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline—1-866-DHS-2-ICE)
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To: The Ghost of Rudy McRomney
The message is muddled too, John.
That's exactly right.
The problem is Republicans, particularly in California, are too timid to fight back.
 
7 posted on 09/08/2007 9:11:52 PM PDT by counterpunch ("The Democrats are the party of slavery." —Cindy Sheehan)
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To: NormsRevenge

A few things about the CAli “R” party.

1. Ahhnold is no Centrist, that is a media myth.
2. CA is the breakwater for the US on illegals
3. Republicans can win in CA, be smart.

In CA the rules are no one cares if there is Debt involved, no one cares (at least a majority doesn’t) about illegals.

If Ahhnold was on fire, I would not piss on him to put out the fire.....


8 posted on 09/08/2007 9:13:07 PM PDT by padre35 (Conservative in Exile.)
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To: NormsRevenge
Schwarzenegger, a Republican centrist, argued that the party needed to attract new voters by tackling issues with broad public appeal, like global warming.

Global warming? Schwarzenegger thinks the GOP should "attract new voters by tackling" a hoax perpetrated by the Democrats and their allies in the socialist-left "mainstream" newsrooms? Good grief. Yeah - - somebody has definitely lost his way. What a maroon.

9 posted on 09/08/2007 9:16:11 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: NormsRevenge

10 posted on 09/08/2007 9:17:54 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: counterpunch

How can they, all the GOP leadership are ex-dems.


11 posted on 09/08/2007 9:21:50 PM PDT by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: NormsRevenge

Schwarzenegger on Friday provided a grim assessment of his party’s standing in California, saying it needed to appeal to independents or risk being relegated to the political margins. He said the party had lost 120,000 registered voters in eight months, and more than 370,000 since 2005. ____________________________________________________
God forbid that anyone state the obvious: the push to the squishy middle has alienated the conservative base.


12 posted on 09/08/2007 9:56:55 PM PDT by forester (An economy that is overburdened by government eventually results in collapse)
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To: forester
the push to the squishy middle has alienated the conservative base.

Correct & AS stands for nothing but humself.

13 posted on 09/08/2007 10:42:57 PM PDT by Digger (If RINO is your selection, then failure is your election)
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To: NormsRevenge

ROFL. That post #5 pic of RINOLD is a knee-slapper.


14 posted on 09/08/2007 10:49:31 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: padre35

Ahnold could be consider a centrist if the two opposing ends are RINO’s and the Dems.


15 posted on 09/08/2007 10:55:59 PM PDT by ThomasThomas
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To: ThomasThomas

I know that the Republican party appears to be abandoning its conservative base in California. I know that I am tired of voting for the lesser of two evils when neither represent my point of view. I wish to heaven we had a good conservative alternative. I don’t care if the Republicans win if they act no different from liberals on the rural issues about which I care. I may sit out the next election for the first time since 1967.


16 posted on 09/08/2007 11:04:19 PM PDT by marsh2
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To: NormsRevenge

“Political fissures divided state Republicans Saturday as they faced questions about the future of a party that Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger says has lost its way.”

Yes, I agree. It lost its way when it started calling people like Swartzenegger and Bloomberg Republicans!


17 posted on 09/08/2007 11:04:41 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: NormsRevenge
aRnold and his followers and handlers would tell you that he delivered us all into a better place after the turmoil we experienced at the start of the 3rd millennium,, others would say he has guaranteed that we will carry a large debt into the foreseeable future and are expected to accept it as good and reasonable to do so.

I predicted this before the Davis recall. All that can possibly happen in CA is deficits and political insanity. The only question was, who would be blamed? The recall was a huge mistake. We should have let Davis take the state down with all branches firmly controlled by the left. Instead, we put a Dem (with an R label) in office and nothing has changed. The only difference is Republicans now share the responsibility for the mess.

The problem in CA is not the politicians. It's the voters. They keep electing idiots and expect different results than the last time they elected idiots. Until the state crashes with blame firmly affixed where it belongs, no change is possible in CA.

The Republican party in CA needs to firmly fix itself as the adult, opposition party ready to pick up the pieces. Arnold is making that impossible.

18 posted on 09/08/2007 11:05:07 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: marsh2
There is no conservative base to build upon in CA. McClintock lost. Twice.

So long as the masses in L.A. and coast up to the Bay Area are wowed by the Democrats this state will stay locked into Democrat hands.

19 posted on 09/09/2007 12:12:35 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Pope to politicians: "(Do) not to allow children to be considered as a form of illness.")
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To: newzjunkey
So long as the masses in L.A. and the Bay Area are wowed by the promises of liberal policies, a chicken in every pot, this state will stay locked in political liberalism.

Better ... and more accurate.

20 posted on 09/09/2007 7:17:01 AM PDT by Amerigomag
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