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To: Lurker
The government failed miserably on 911 to protect us, despite spending trillions

Oh, that sentence is accurate...the problem is the context. The reason the government failed to protect us on 9/11 is because Bill Clinton to a Ron Paul approach to fighting terrorism. Then, in addition, Paul blames us for the attacks.

Wow. What a nut eh?

And clueless. Ron acts like the Homeland Security guys just woke up one day and decided toothpaste was bad. He ignores the London multi-plane bomb plot because it doesn't fit his worldview. Then he serves up his legitimate (sort of, see below) gripe about arming pilots, but he seems to forget that an armed pilot won't stop terrorists from blowing the plane in half at 40,000 feet over the atlantic with a liquid explosive IED.

Sounds like a Freeper to me.

Nope, sounds like he's short on credibility. Frist, the airlines (who Ron says "know best how to protect their property") opposed arming the pilots. Second, while he may have been ridiculed by some gun control twits somewhere, he was NOT ridiculed by the administration or any of the conservatives like myself that his followers like to accuse of fascism/socialism/spreading typhoid, etc.

351 posted on 09/08/2007 12:48:29 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Libs obviously don’t believe pro-lifers are terrorists, or they'd placate us by banning abortion.)
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To: Lurker; Mr. Silverback
Oh, that sentence is accurate...the problem is the context. The reason the government failed to protect us on 9/11 is because Bill Clinton to a Ron Paul approach to fighting terrorism. Then, in addition, Paul blames us for the attacks.

Curious as to why you're not answering Mr. Silverback's post.

367 posted on 09/08/2007 6:23:56 AM PDT by Allegra (Turning Vanity Threads Into New Socks Threads at Every Opportunity)
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To: Mr. Silverback; Allegra
The reason the government failed to protect us on 9/11 is because Bill Clinton to a Ron Paul approach to fighting terrorism.

Wrong. BC had a BC approach which was essentially to do nothing. I don't believe Congressman Paul ever said we should do nothing. However if you can dig up a statement in which the good Congressman said the attacks on the Cole, Khobar, and the American embassies should go unpunished I'll happily concede your point.

Then, in addition, Paul blames us for the attacks

I don't remember him doing that. I remember him saying that the attacks were a response to some of our policies in the Middle East and elsewhere. I think everyone pretty much agrees this is the case. AQ doesn't like our foreign policy. That's a fact. OBL whines and moans about it every time one of his 'greatest hits' tapes comes out.

Then when Paul says something along those lines you lot start shouting that he 'hates America'. What a load of crap that is.

One OBLs primary motivitions according to his own words was the presence of American troops in Saudi. Well Bush pulled our troops out of Saudi after 9/11.

Does that mean Bush was 'appeasing' Al Queda? How about Rumsfeld? He sure had to sign off on that decision. Is Rumsfeld an AQ sympathizer?

but he seems to forget that an armed pilot won't stop terrorists from blowing the plane in half at 40,000 feet over the atlantic with a liquid explosive IED.

Armed pilots sure would have come in handy against 4 or 5 guys with boxcutters, though. And if those mutts had been stopped we most likely wouldn't be worrying about other nuts with detonating Dentucream now would we.

Frist, the airlines (who Ron says "know best how to protect their property") opposed arming the pilots

Did they? Did all of them disagree? When was that poll taken? Got a link to the statements of each and every airline CEO to document that assertion?

he was NOT ridiculed by the administration

Maybe they didn't ridicule him openly, but they didn't do a damned thing to expedite the process either. Did Bush write an Executive Order demanding the FAA allow armed pilots immediately? That's within his power. But instead he put that bastion of right wing conservative thought Norman Minetta in charge of the 'program' to arm pilots.

So at this rate American commercial airliners should have armed pilots sometime in 2036...maybe.

I don't care if you two want to make fun of Paul. It's not like I'm supporting the guys run for President. What I don't like is the yards of bullsh** I see spewed about the guy.

Ron Paul doesn't hate America. Ron Paul doesn't think 9/11 was 'our fault'. And he certainly does support our troops.

L

388 posted on 09/08/2007 8:03:40 AM PDT by Lurker ( Comparing moderate islam to extremist islam is like comparing smallpox to ebola.)
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