Posted on 09/07/2007 10:40:07 AM PDT by NapkinUser
Edited on 09/07/2007 2:31:57 PM PDT by Lead Moderator. [history]
Has this been a hectic and encouraging time! First we got almost 17% in the Texas straw poll, an event set-up to represent the establishment, with very restrictive voting rules. That 17% of the Republican hierarchy would support our views, after a full day of pro-war propaganda, is good news. Then we won the more open Maryland Republican straw poll with 28%. In both cases, as usual, hard-working, well-organized volunteers made all the difference.
The Fox debate was a lot of fun as well. It's true that a few of the network people are not exactly with us on foreign or domestic policy (though one famous guy whispered to me that he is a libertarian), but the audience—with lots of students from the University of New Hampshire—was definitely fair and balanced, as their enthusiastic reaction showed.
My opponents called for more war, more torture, more secret prisons, more eavesdropping, more presidential power. Some seemed to identify the government and the people as if they were one entity. But you and I know that once the government moves beyond its very limited constitutional mandate, it is an opponent of the people, a rip-off operation that takes our money and our freedom and our social peace, and gives us a mess of statist pottage in return.
The government failed miserably on 911 to protect us, despite spending trillions. So the answer was supposed to be the giant, socialist Department of Homeland Security, protecting you and me from taking our toothpaste on the airplane. I was ridiculed for saying that the airlines, which know best how to protect their property, should have been allowed to arm their pilots. But then, you and I really believe in the Second Amendment. It is not just a political slogan for us.
When I discussed the blowback that came from us intervening on the Arabian peninsula, Chris Wallace asked me if I wanted to follow the marching orders of al-Qaeda. I responded that I wanted to follow the marching orders of the Constitution, and not wage undeclared, aggressive wars that cause us only trouble. This is a mystifying to some, of course, but not to more and more Americans.
There was much talk of taxes, and a pledge not to raise rates. But as usual, I was not allowed to discuss my lifelong pledge to abolish the income tax. Just holding the line, when the government takes such vast sums through an illegitimate guilty-until-proven-innocent system, is hardly enough. We need to slash taxes and spending if we are to have a future of prosperity for ourselves and our families.
After the debate, many young people gathered around the stage to discuss our ideas and ask questions about them (and to have me sign their badges). My colleagues got no such response, and after a few moments, "security" ordered me off the stage. Can't have any such demonstration of interest in liberty.
But the young are with us, and so are Americans of every stripe. Even party officials. When one of my opponent said it was OK to lose elections through supporting the Iraq war, that set party people's teeth on edge, and rightly so. The Republican party is shrinking. We need new people. It's either our ideas or President Hillary, and more and more people recognize it.
But the media, and everyone else, will be looking at fundraising totals at the end of this month. They'll judge us by how we do. And we need help to wage what we hope will be a full-scale, 50-state campaign. Please help me head into the next quarter fully armed to do battle for freedom, peace and prosperity. Make your most generous contribution https://www.ronpaul2008.com/donate/. This Revolution is on the move, but it very much needs your support.
Sincerely,
Ron
And that doesn't sound anything like Ron Paul's stuff to you? Nothing like his whole "Saddam never hurt us" schtick?
OK so you can't dig up any quotes of Pauls saying he wouldn't deal with those attacks. You could have just said that.
I didn't try. First, I never said that Ron Paul said that, so I would never look for evidence to back up something I never said. Second, as I pointed out, Bill Clinton said some very tough things about those attacks, and he never did anything about them that counted. So, even if RP said "We will hunt these guys down until they are dead and I'll put their heads on pikes outside my office" it doesn't really matter.
No I haven't Now let me ask you a serious question. What the Hell does that have to do with what we're talking about?
Therein lies the problem--you don't know why in the world I'd compare Osama to Hitler. You not only haven't a clue, you probably don't know what color the clue bag is.
What the hell is the matter with you that you can't simply admit that our policies have consequences attached to them?
You ask that after citing Japan and Germany? What is the matter with you and Ron Paul that you can't simply admit that some people are so evil that we shouldn't give a flying flip why they don't like outr policies? Should we have changed our policies to make Tojo and Hitler like us?
I'm not one. I'm a Thompson guy. And I'll thank you to stop the insults.
When you defend a guy who wants to cede a battlefield to Al Qaida, you should expect to be insulted. Deal with it.
We can.
Why was toothpaste restricted for a period of time? C'mon, you can do it!
An unarmed airline flight attendant managed to stop Richard Reid, so yes I think they could.
Hmmm... I wasn't aware that vigilance required a pistol. Don't get me wrong, I support arming pilots, but there's nothing about having a gun that makes one more likely to detect a team of bombers assembling a bomb in a lavatory.
And you know, isn't it a bummer that those "socialists" at Homeland Security inspect our shoes for explosives?
An armed pilot would have blown his head off and the rest of the flight wouldn't have been spent listening to Reids insane ramblings.
Did Reid attempt his attack because:
A. The 9/11 attacks succeeded.
B. The 9/11 attacks failed because the pilots shot the hijackers.
C. Flight 93 failed to reach its target so he needed to make up for it.
D. He wanted to kill infidels.
Surely you must have an answer.
As entertaining as the threads are, I have to agree with you there.
After all, Ron Paul has lots of support on DU and Daily KOS. Let the Paulies go there for their daily worship sessions. They'd really be more comfortable among those folks.
That's more grassroots support than all of the other candidates, including Obama and maybe Fred Thompson. Paul's got people volunteering on their own time and dime putting the word out for him. All this while the lamestream media ignores him and most conservative blogs denigrate him.
If you could actually show some proof of grassroot support for cut and run from anyone other than cowardly democrats and Internet spammers and you might have some credibility.
I'm telling you, IT'S THERE. Go to his campaign website and peep the videos. This is not like Dean's 2004 campaign where he had a bunch of lefties supporting him and then he flamed out. Paul's got ordinary folks interested in politics again, he's got more meetup voluteers than all of the candidates combined. A real coalition, that the GOP better start paying attention to because these folks sure in the Hell ain't going to hold their noses for Giuliani or whatever RINO is nominated.
No. Not even close.
First, could you cite me anyplace that Bush has said "We pulled troops out of Saudi because it invited attacks from Al Qaida?"
Second, can you cite me any place where Bush, like Paul, has held forth that our enemies can reasonably decide to attack civilians on our soil because of our policies?
Third, Paul is not an Al Qaida sympathizer so much as he is intellectually stunted in a dangerous manner. He's so invested in a certain ideology that he "sees" reason where only demonic hatred exists.
That's the difference.
Hey, I think I figured out where FDR went wrong: He should have given every Congresscritter a copy of Mein Kampf as a Christmas present in 1939. Then we could have given him what he wanted and all would have been A-OK. < /sarc>
I want to watch the Paul supporters tell the KOSsacks that the EPA has to go if we are to become energy independent.
In my opinion the threads are useful in focusing on what we value in choosing who we want to represent us. I am not afraid of a person choosing Ron Paul after reading the debate we have on FR. At least they are getting both sides.
Libertarian ideas are seductive. They appeal to many and darn it, they just sound right! Then reality hits one in the face and one realizes to have any impact, one’s candidate must be elected by the great unwashed middle.
I used to be a Libertarian in the worst way. I got better.
Exactly how would Islam take over and conquer America?
And if they are capable of destroying and conquering America, why does our current administration continue to allow into our country, tens of thousands of Muslims routinely and legally?
I dated one in the early 90s for a while.
Very nice guy...very strange political views.
Nope.
Should we have changed our policies to make Tojo and Hitler like us?
If Roosevelt hadn't been such a blundering idiot regarding the Japanese we might not have had to fight the Pacific campaign at all, or at least we would have fought it with the entire Pacific fleet.
Therein lies the problem--you don't know why in the world I'd compare Osama to Hitler
Oh I do alright. It's just that your comparison doesn't hold water. In fact historically it's pretty stupid when you think about it. Hitler had at his command an entire nation-state. Osama runs a franchise operation from a cave. He has next to no operational control over his followers. In fact he's only still alive because the 'tribal areas' of Pakistan haven't been visited by enough American B-52s.
What is the matter with you and Ron Paul that you can't simply admit that some people are so evil that we shouldn't give a flying flip why they don't like outr policies
I have no problem admitting it. I want them dead. What I'm sick of is pussyfooting around in Iraq when we know where the source of the problem is, and it ain't in Anbar province. Anbar is just a symptom.
The sources of the poison are three. In order they are Tehran, Riyadh, and Damascus. That's where we should be killing jihadis. Turn the heads of these snakes into smoking rubble and there won't be anyone to pay for and facilitate their entry into Iraq.
Then we can get the hell out of there and they can go back to what they do best, which is killing each other like they have been for the last 2,000 years.
Why was toothpaste restricted for a period of time?
Toothpaste was restricted because a bunch of idiots at the TSA didn't realize that it's virtually impossible to bring down a modern airliner with 5 ounces of home made explosive detonated in the passenger compartment.
And Richard Reid did what he did because he's an ignorant loser. He's no more a religious warrior than Tim McVeigh was. And btw, Reid left from Heathrow Airport, not anywhere in the ME. Should we have invaded Britain?
but there's nothing about having a gun that makes one more likely to detect a team of bombers assembling a bomb in a lavatory.
Guns don't detect bombs, but a .40 caliber round through the cranium will deter even the most ardent jihadist.
This 'building a democracy in the ME' is a fools errand. Those people have no history of it, they have no want of it, and when they have anything that even resembles it they vote for murderous thugs a la the 'palis'. Israel works because the Jews have a 4,000 year history of civilized behavior.
Arabs, particularly muslim arabs, do not have any such history. It's been one long unbroken line of murderers stretching all the way back to that syphilitic pedophile mohamet. Pi** on the lot of 'em.
It's not our job to 'build' their democracy or their country. That's their job. So I say use the airbases we've got established there now to pound the living hell out of our enemies in the region most specifically Tehran and Damascus, although I'd smoke Riyadh and Mecca and lay waste to a large portion of Pakistan just on general principle.
Then hand the Iraqi Provisional Government the keys and wish 'em the best of luck.
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Instead he sent Joe Kennedy (a known Hitler supporter) off to London as the Ambassador. Yea that Roosevelt...what a genius.
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First--and by far the most important, the rest of the post will pale in comparison--I am not a fan of the President's immigration policies, and I don't think that supporting victory in Iraq requires me to defend those policies. That said, no matter how restrictive out immigration policies get we will still need to nail terrorists overseas before they can strike.
Second--OK, let's say that there's nothing that can be done about Islamic terror other than excluding Muslims from target areas. Let's also say that we immediately pass immigration laws banning entry by Muslims, and we revoke all current visas and green cards and send everyone here legally packing.
Now...what are you going to do with Americans who are Muslims? Internment camps? Machine gunning? What's the plan?
I never said I was an FDR fan, I said that it’s moronic to expect every evil scumbag in the world to play nince-nice with us if we just do the foreign policy they like.
Oh...I noticed you didn’t have any examples of the Bush statements I mentioned. Does that mean there are any?
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Agreed. But our current policy is akin to invading Algeria because Germany attacked our merchant shipping in the North Pacific.
I'm tired of us killing pawns. We need to be killing the Kings of this operation. And they don't live in Anbar Province.
They live in Tehran, Damascus, and Riyadh.
Smoke those a**holes and watch the threat these clowns pose drop to nearly zero.
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As much as I respect anyone who wears the uniform honorably, I find it absolutely hilarious that Paul’s service as an Air Force doctor would make him a better C-in-C than the other candidates. If we’re going to pick based on service we should nominate Hunter, end of story.
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Well said, Mr. Silverback.
Libertarian ideas are seductive. They appeal to many and darn it, they just sound right! Then reality hits one in the face and one realizes to have any impact, one’s candidate must be elected by the great unwashed middle.
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It's one thing to discuss libertarian ideas, it's another for a group to use Free Republic to promote a candidate like Ron Paul.
The easiest way to make the RP threads disappear would be to not engage them. Of course that would mean I would have to take my own advice. ;)
Thatt eas the funniest thing I have seen said by a Paulette in some time...
Damn fat fingers..
That is the funniest...
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