Posted on 09/07/2007 10:40:07 AM PDT by NapkinUser
Edited on 09/07/2007 2:31:57 PM PDT by Lead Moderator. [history]
Has this been a hectic and encouraging time! First we got almost 17% in the Texas straw poll, an event set-up to represent the establishment, with very restrictive voting rules. That 17% of the Republican hierarchy would support our views, after a full day of pro-war propaganda, is good news. Then we won the more open Maryland Republican straw poll with 28%. In both cases, as usual, hard-working, well-organized volunteers made all the difference.
The Fox debate was a lot of fun as well. It's true that a few of the network people are not exactly with us on foreign or domestic policy (though one famous guy whispered to me that he is a libertarian), but the audience—with lots of students from the University of New Hampshire—was definitely fair and balanced, as their enthusiastic reaction showed.
My opponents called for more war, more torture, more secret prisons, more eavesdropping, more presidential power. Some seemed to identify the government and the people as if they were one entity. But you and I know that once the government moves beyond its very limited constitutional mandate, it is an opponent of the people, a rip-off operation that takes our money and our freedom and our social peace, and gives us a mess of statist pottage in return.
The government failed miserably on 911 to protect us, despite spending trillions. So the answer was supposed to be the giant, socialist Department of Homeland Security, protecting you and me from taking our toothpaste on the airplane. I was ridiculed for saying that the airlines, which know best how to protect their property, should have been allowed to arm their pilots. But then, you and I really believe in the Second Amendment. It is not just a political slogan for us.
When I discussed the blowback that came from us intervening on the Arabian peninsula, Chris Wallace asked me if I wanted to follow the marching orders of al-Qaeda. I responded that I wanted to follow the marching orders of the Constitution, and not wage undeclared, aggressive wars that cause us only trouble. This is a mystifying to some, of course, but not to more and more Americans.
There was much talk of taxes, and a pledge not to raise rates. But as usual, I was not allowed to discuss my lifelong pledge to abolish the income tax. Just holding the line, when the government takes such vast sums through an illegitimate guilty-until-proven-innocent system, is hardly enough. We need to slash taxes and spending if we are to have a future of prosperity for ourselves and our families.
After the debate, many young people gathered around the stage to discuss our ideas and ask questions about them (and to have me sign their badges). My colleagues got no such response, and after a few moments, "security" ordered me off the stage. Can't have any such demonstration of interest in liberty.
But the young are with us, and so are Americans of every stripe. Even party officials. When one of my opponent said it was OK to lose elections through supporting the Iraq war, that set party people's teeth on edge, and rightly so. The Republican party is shrinking. We need new people. It's either our ideas or President Hillary, and more and more people recognize it.
But the media, and everyone else, will be looking at fundraising totals at the end of this month. They'll judge us by how we do. And we need help to wage what we hope will be a full-scale, 50-state campaign. Please help me head into the next quarter fully armed to do battle for freedom, peace and prosperity. Make your most generous contribution https://www.ronpaul2008.com/donate/. This Revolution is on the move, but it very much needs your support.
Sincerely,
Ron
Their sites are a hoot.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/index.php
http://ronpaul.meetup.com/boards/
A smattering of posts about FR. Interestingly one of the meetup leaders claims to be a former writer for Willis Carto's Barnes Review, a Holocaust denial rag related to American Free Press which we've discussed on occasion relative to Paul.
Oh well, they vote too.
Think he borrowed the lead line?
The first day that I’m president I will close Guantanamo which I think is a national embarrassment. I will stop the practice of the illegal spying on the American people, which the President engaged in. No more secret prisons, no more torture or condoning torture
John Edwards
LOL! Can a Paul/Fulani ticket be far behind?
SaxxonWoods’Buchanan principle
I like it...
On your knees. LOL!
They asked Jim Robinson to endorse Ron Paul. It didn’t go over well. It is a privately owned site. FR’s success will be measured by individual contributions to the site.
Moderators moderate impartiality? It seems they let the Paulistinians post about 5 threads a day giving ample exposure to a candidate with little money to spend on conventional advertising. I think Jim Robinson is being very generous and pretty damned tolerant.(So far)
Nah, he just has an insane sense of humor. I can dig that...
It's getting harder and harder to tell the players apart.
My opponents called for more war, more torture, more secret prisons.
Ron Paul
The first day that I’m president I will close Guantanamo which I think is a national embarrassment. I will stop the practice of the illegal spying on the American people, which the President engaged in. No more secret prisons, no more torture or condoning torture
John Edwards
Let me rework that and see if you are intellectually honest:
Operation Overlord is a central element in our European Theater strategy to defeat Hitler. It depends on the cooperation of foreign intelligence services, and on keeping even basic information about the invasion from the public, foreign officials and nearly all members of Congress charged with overseeing the Army's plans.
So...is that paragraph still scary? Because, just so you know, it's historically accurate. Almost nobody in Washington had need-to-know about D-Day. Do you need to see the versions of that paragraph that cover the U-2, SR-71, B-2, F-117 and Ivy Bells, or have you got the message already?
I’ve seen the mods have some fun like this before.. generally on threads about other liberals, Hillary, Cindy Sheehan, Hugo Chavez..
Well done.
...Ron Paul
You were on a roll, why did stop?
Trying to say that Ron Paul blames the U.S. for 9/11 is like trying to say the cops blame the murder victim because they're interested in MOTIVE!! How darned hard can that be to understand or are you simply being deliberately obtuse? Wanting to understand someone's MOTIVE for an action doesn't excuse the action. The fanatics don't 'hate us because we're free'. That's absolute hogwash and most thinking people know it. Tell me when the first time was that the U.S. had to deal with Muslim terrorist (and, no, the Barbary pirates don't count). It was AFTER our military started being stationed and deployed to Muslim countries. Blowback anyone? --- please keep in mind here that the term is from the CIA...not Ron Paul
Great find.
You might be right; I didn’t even think about that. I certainly didn’t want to generate flack. I just was under the assumption FR was “neutral” on the Republican candidates until the primaries, and I didn’t want that assumption to get me into hot water if it’s wrong.
That's not analagous at all. This case is more like police officer Paul investigating a rape and blaming the victim because "she was asking for it."
Sorta clear there...
Is your definition of a good debate consist of all of us drinking the Ron Paul kool-aid?
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