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Makes you wonder...I know the USAF PAO was reading his talking points, but when you think about them, they are indescribably stupid: "...a departure from exacting standards..." sounds like a paperwork mistake.

How can you mistakenly draw six weapons from storage, transport them to the flight line, load them on an airplane, fly them to a different base, then let them sit for 10 hours? All told, I would guess they were unccounted for for at least 15 hours. Four-star heads should roll for this one.

1 posted on 09/06/2007 1:18:37 PM PDT by starlifter
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There’s a big whoops.


2 posted on 09/06/2007 1:22:08 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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I don’t have a military background but I can’t help but wonder how it could happen. I’m assuming the nuclear ordinance is stored separately and under heavy guard.


3 posted on 09/06/2007 1:22:24 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Greed is NOT a conservative ideal.)
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I’m suspicious. If it happened, why was it leaked to the press? Sounds like notification to Ahmadinejad that American nukes are on the move.

But then. . . I’m paranoid.


4 posted on 09/06/2007 1:22:24 PM PDT by tennteacher (Duncan Hunter '08)
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Where’s General Buck Turgidson when we need him?


5 posted on 09/06/2007 1:23:43 PM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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Good thing they were ferrying them to another base, and not dropping them in Iraq.

No one needs to answer this, but I wonder is these cruise missiles are usually stored with special weapons. If they are in a separate magazine, then it's harder to understand the mistake.

6 posted on 09/06/2007 1:24:46 PM PDT by NYFriend
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Well, it sounds like the pilots took just as good of care of them as the regular ones. Nothing happened, thankfully. I would expect that they have already made sure this won’t happen again. I don’t want the media using this opportunity to bash our military.
9 posted on 09/06/2007 1:25:33 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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How can you mistakenly draw six weapons from storage, transport them to the flight line, load them on an airplane, fly them to a different base, then let them sit for 10 hours? All told, I would guess they were unccounted for for at least 15 hours.

A possible mix-up with ALCM trainers...thought the B52 was headed to the load barn...?

12 posted on 09/06/2007 1:29:00 PM PDT by Red Steel
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They were never out of U.S. control.


14 posted on 09/06/2007 1:31:46 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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While stationed at Minot I met Major Fugazi who was a Radar Navigator who manned the defensive weapons on a B-52. He had the distinct honor of having survived a B-52 shoot down. The war games actions were ocurring over Pennsylvania and the F-86 that was chasing them had drawn into missile range. The fighter pilot selected Safe on the Safe-Arm switch and when directed pulled the trigger!

The Safe-Arm switch had been repaired and the wires were soldered backwards. The Quality control failed to note the error. The Sidewinder worked perfectly and Gino's B-52 crashed in a swampy area in Pennsylvania. The four nucs in the bomb bay were recovered but....Oops are easy to make, even with nucs.

Four of six crew members survived. The nucs were recovered and the whole thing was minimally covered by the press. Whoever leaked this info should be provided with a nice condo at Leavenworth for the next 20 years!

15 posted on 09/06/2007 1:32:02 PM PDT by Young Werther (Julius Caesar--Quae Cum Ita Sunt, (Since these things are so))
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WHOA........


17 posted on 09/06/2007 1:42:09 PM PDT by freekitty (May the eagles long fly over our beautiful and free American sky.)
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“How can you mistakenly draw six weapons from storage, transport them to the flight line, load them on an airplane, fly them to a different base, then let them sit for 10 hours? All told, I would guess they were unccounted for for at least 15 hours. Four-star heads should roll for this one.”

I am going to have agree with you on that. Wonder what they were actually doing?


18 posted on 09/06/2007 1:43:19 PM PDT by freekitty (May the eagles long fly over our beautiful and free American sky.)
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How can you mistakenly draw six weapons from storage, transport them to the flight line, load them on an airplane, fly them to a different base, then let them sit for 10 hours? All told, I would guess they were unaccounted for for at least 15 hours.

Former Army tactical missile nuke guy here with questions on USAF procedures:

1. Are ACMs always mated with warheads, whether HE or nuke?

2. Is it normal USAF procedure to bring out the nukes for anything other than an elevated DEFCON setting? Given the satellite abilities of most of our enemies, I would think that evidence of weapons being drawn from the Special Weapons bunkers (which are obviously different than regular bunkers due to the exclusion areas) would lead to excitement by the Russians, etc. From my Army experience in Germany during the Cold War, we were only admitted to the war stock storage area once for a practice upload of missile motors but not for warheads -- we were never given access inside the exclusion area.

3. Why would the pilots fly this load? Were they not required to sign for the weapons in order to know to maintain the two-man rule?

This whole matter just smells...

23 posted on 09/06/2007 1:55:57 PM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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This story only makes me wonder what the real story is.


25 posted on 09/06/2007 2:04:01 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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If it is a mistake, I suppose some discipline is in order, but I wonder if this isn’t being blown out of proportion. After all, the bomber in question is designed to carry those weapons and the pilots that fly it are trained to carry them and, as the article pointed out, they never left Air Force control.


28 posted on 09/06/2007 2:12:48 PM PDT by JamesP81
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It was six, then. The many other threads said five, although the many radio news reports said six all along.


31 posted on 09/06/2007 2:16:16 PM PDT by RightWhale (It's Brecht's donkey, not mine)
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O.K., I have it figured out.

Cheney was p. o.’d some of the levees were left standing. He’s really going to fix that before he’s out of office.


36 posted on 09/06/2007 2:34:57 PM PDT by Loyal Buckeye
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It's OK boys, just drop 'em off on Madison Wis. on the way home.
37 posted on 09/06/2007 2:38:14 PM PDT by Ukiapah Heep (Shoes for Industry!)
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TYhis store is what? two days old.


39 posted on 09/06/2007 2:50:43 PM PDT by abseaman (If you will not fight to the death--stay home.)
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There would be a message telling them to transfer the body #xxxx to someplace for disposition. The munitions people if things worked properly would remove the warhead and ship it as required. A flight might be going that way. Someone added that package to the flight. Another shift got a order to pull the following missiles :1-6 . The AC Commander must not have followed procedures because we know that he and his boss are gone. The people at Barksdale discover that their inventory is up they have to notify the world. Meanwhile back at MAFB there is an officer at the MSA sitting fat, dumb and happy. That is how it could have happened.
41 posted on 09/06/2007 3:00:16 PM PDT by Domangart (editor and publisher)
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How can you mistakenly draw six weapons from storage, transport them to the flight line, load them on an airplane, fly them to a different base, then let them sit for 10 hours? All told, I would guess they were unccounted for for at least 15 hours.

Maybe. But then again who says they were drawn from storage? Maybe they were deliberately loaded onto the BUFF, and then left on, probably unintentioinally, for the trip to Barksdale.

Back in The Day, every SAC base had 3 or 4 BUFFs loaded for war, nuclear war sitting on the alert pad at all times. Early on they would scramble, take off and fly to their positive control points, or be recalled before they'd even climbed out. Sometimes they'd be recalled before they got to the takeoff end of the runway.

Earlier they flew airborne alert with nukes on board. Never, ever, did they blow anything up witha nuke, although they did lose one in the Med off Palomares, Spain. The BUFF went down during refueling ops, two of the bombs (of four) had their HE go off on impact, but no nuclear explosion. One landed more or less intact and was found quickly. The fourth fell into the sea, and although it took "only" two weeks to find it, it took over three more months to recover it.

45 posted on 09/06/2007 5:23:55 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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