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To: Coyoteman
Let me know when they make a "discovery" other than that which P.T. Barnum is widely credited with--but David Hannum actually said.)

Yep, Provide the evidence for ID they say!

You have to submit to “mainstream” journals in order for the scientific community to take you seriously, they say!

Yet, at every freaking turn, they shut down anything that provides even an inkling of possibility to address their demands…
8 posted on 09/05/2007 8:58:16 PM PDT by SirLinksalot
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To: SirLinksalot
Yep, Provide the evidence for ID they say!

You have to submit to “mainstream” journals in order for the scientific community to take you seriously, they say!

Yet, at every freaking turn, they shut down anything that provides even an inkling of possibility to address their demands…

Provide scientific evidence, not religious belief, and you will be listened to.

(Bill, is that you?)

13 posted on 09/05/2007 9:13:39 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: SirLinksalot

>>Yet, at every freaking turn, they shut down anything that provides even an inkling of possibility to address their demands…<<

There are all kinds of theories that did not get immediate acceptance. For every Brownian motion that quickly makes sense there is a Debroglie wave length which does not.

This is overcome by presenting indisputable evidence.

The problem with ID, from a scientific point of view is that it basically boils down to a philosophical argument - that the universe is so complex and beautiful that God must have had a hand.

Now, I believe that. But its not science.

And so far, the leading ID people have focused either on claiming conspiracy, or making ludicrous arguments (like irreducible complexity), or just been outright dishonest - like the Discovery Insitute’s attempt to discredit science or the Evolutionaryinformatics attempt to use out of context quotes like the one by David Wolpert when they know that Wolpert thinks Dembski is wrong and dishonest.

That’s not the approach to take if one really believes that they can show the hand of God.

This is very odd to me as a Christian since the bible is clear that faith will always be required and that God almost never provides repeatable proof, except in our hearts.


27 posted on 09/06/2007 9:32:47 AM PDT by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words)
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