I've made both: --
# 106: -- You are saying that our rights to life, liberty or property can be denied, -- unless previous felonious conduct or mental defects are deemed 'cured', -- by an agency of gov't.
"-- in order to protect the rights of citizens in general, from these people, [released felons and mental defectives] they are justified in placing special limitations on them, that do not apply to citizens in general.
An instant background check violates the rights of general citizens to live free from unreasonable searches and "special limitations", -- ordinarily reserved for released felons and mental defectives..
BS. A background check searches no one's person, property, private effects, or their private matters. A background check involves checking public records in a public database, by public employees.
A background check involves searching supposedly public records in a supposedly public database, by public employees, AFTER the individual is made to agree to that search, under penalty of perjury, in order to purchase a gun. -- It's an unreasonable coerced infringement.
Also, all of the public records contained in the dbase concern and were generated by felons and mental defectives.
Bet me I have access to those 'public' records.
It is truly amazing to see you defend this concept. - Do you work for the system?
Ridiculous. No one is being searched. Public records are being searched and the reason for the public record search is to prevent known criminals and psychotics from buying a gun in the legitimate market. Preventing known criminals and psychotics from engaging in that legitimate market is a reasonable thing to do. It would be gross negligence to do otherwise given the technology for the instant check exists.
"A background check involves searching supposedly public records in a supposedly public database, by public employees, AFTER the individual is made to agree to that search, under penalty of perjury, in order to purchase a gun. -- It's an unreasonable coerced infringement."
The records are public records-all of them, because they were generated by the action of a court. They are contained in a public database. There's nothing supposed about them being public. Also, there's no agreement required, or even implied. That idea is just stupid. The FFL must submit the name of the buyer. Are you going to tell me that submitting your name is a friggin' unwarranted search and invasion of your privacy? Under penalty of perjury my ass. The 44xx form asks various quesions regarding fed diabilities. Either answer them, or plead the 5th and walk. The US is not going to allow enemies of the US, felons, dangerous mental deficients and other such characters to engage in legitimate gun commerce. To do so would be gross negligence and reasonable people would call such negligence monumental stupidity. So if you want to assert your right to be monumentally stupid, go right ahead. It's a free country and you can preserve your precious right to do so.
"It's an unreasonable coerced infringement."
Ya poor bastard. The world doesn't operate according to the monumentally stupid. The US will protect your right to act that way, but it won't recognize your right to buy a gun, because you plead the 5th plus, and refused to answer the simple, relevant questions on the form.
"Bet me I have access to those 'public' records."
I don't gamble and the statement os unclear. Although you can't access the dbase itself, because you're not a rep of an LEA, all the records can be obtained from the various primary sources which provide them. Those are all the courts that generated them.
"It is truly amazing to see you defend this concept."
What concept, the concept of a background check? There's no right not to be subject to one, nor is there a right for felons and dangerous metal cases to possess a gun, since they've been removed by due process of law. THe 2nd Amend refers to the right of the people. The people referred to are not those that have forfieted their rights by committing felonies, or those who have lost them by virtue of due process in a court of law due to their providing evidence to the court that they are a danger to themselves, or others, by virtue of mental defect. The people are also not enemies of the US.