MD Straw Poll Results - Ron Paul Wins

MD GOP ^ | 09/05/2007 | MD GOP

[George W. Bush]

I would not vote for Ron Paul or for Pee Wee Herman or for Larry Craig...

Oh, darn, and here I thought we had the Torquemada vote all locked up. Heh-heh.

[BlackElk]

Reasons why the paleoPaulie peacecreep club might well not be welcomed at a conservative web site although JimRob's patience with them has been remarkable and is his call to make:

1. Paleowhatevers are best described as phonycons. They have confused themselves into thinking that the "foreign policy" of Abbie Hoffman, Jerry Rubin, Jane Fonda, Al Qaeda or its spokesman Ron Paul is somehow "conservative." Conservatives know better.

2. Cowardice is not conservative.

3. The Islamofascist enemies of our nation need to die wholesale ASAP.

4. They need their things broken as well.

5. They need to cough up their oil to pay for the necessary activity of the US military in killing them and breaking their things, past, present and future.

6. John Lennon was an ideological horror show but at least he penned Revolution #9 in which he actually criticized communism and Chairman Mao effectively which is more that the paleos have ever done and paleoPaulie is none too eager to criticize his Al Qaeda masters either.

7. I can think of several Latin American countries starting with Ugo's Venezuela that sorely need American "bullying."

8. There is no reasoned argument favoring surrender to the Islamofascist enemy any more than there is any rational argument favoring Ugo or Castro or their ilk or Ahmadinejad the nuclear madman.

9. Peacecreepism claiming to be of the Right ended with Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941. On December 8, 1941, Colonel MacCormack, Charles Lindberg and John Flynn folded America First and stated their support for the American war effort. We were attacked by Islamofascists on 9/11/01. They took down the WTC and actually attacked the Pentagon itself and apparently intended that the fourth hijacked airliner hit either the White House or more likely the Congress.

[BlackElk]

Not bloody likely. Manhood precludes any votes for a paleopacifist worm like paleoPaulie, but you knew that!

[Clint N. Suhks]

Look, I applaud the RP supporter's enthusiasm and conviction. All candidates should be so lucky to have that kind of support.

But you know and I know it’s the unethical, dirty, kook “by any means necessary”, nasty, vicious, threatening tactics RP supporters use to skew polls, belittle non-supporters, call talk shows and on and on that turns people off to RP. That in its self goes unaddressed by you which makes me think you support that kind of nonsense which is very puzzling to me...and we haven’t even discussed the candidate for God’s sake. In fact, these tactics parallel the lies and distortions used by the DNC, Code Pink, MoveOn.org, ANSWER and NARAL. How in good conscience can you endorse such dishonest tactics? I just don’t get it.

Do you honestly think skewing polls will get your candidate elected? Weren't you embarrassed when the poll in The Des Moines Register had RP up by 58% before the Iowa Straw Poll and he only got 9%? Don't these supporters do more harm to RP's credibility than help?

[BlackElk]

I am all in favor of YOUR war policy and I would say that annihilating the Islamofascist enemy is the job that needs doing and it needs doing through technology and death from the sky in Iraq, in Iran, in Syria, in Tora Bora, etc. Your candidate is NOT in favor of your policy as you well know.

PaleoPaulie, the Pee Wee Herman of GOP politics, prefers Trade Almighty. He has repeatedly said that he is proud that we trade with the butchers who run the Vietnamese government and that he wants to trade with our Islamofascist enemies. Apparently in his warped imagination that will cause the Islamofascistlion to lie down with the USlamb without salivating for lamb chops. Fat chance! Slaughter the SOBs each and every one.

[BlackElk]

Check JTN’s homepage which says little about peace and an awful lot about freeing up the druggies.

[George W. Bush]

But you know and I know it’s the unethical, dirty, kook “by any means necessary”, nasty, vicious, threatening tactics RP supporters use to skew polls, belittle non-supporters, call talk shows and on and on that turns people off to RP. That in its self goes unaddressed by you which makes me think you support that kind of nonsense which is very puzzling to me...and we haven’t even discussed the candidate for God’s sake. In fact, these tactics parallel the lies and distortions used by the DNC, Code Pink, MoveOn.org, ANSWER and NARAL. How in good conscience can you endorse such dishonest tactics? I just don’t get it.

I'm not sure you can even make the case that I am my brother's keeper, let alone that I am somehow responsible to screen and filter all the various supporters of RP. Funny, it never seems that other Republicans, all of whom have some supporters in the wingnut category, have any responsibility for them nor are their supporters ever asked to account for others they don't even know and have never met. Not my job to chase votes away from my candidate. Tell you what, why don't you go patrol through your candidates' supporters and weed out the undesirables and get back to me on how that works out for you.

In fact, these tactics parallel the lies and distortions used by the DNC, Code Pink, MoveOn.org, ANSWER and NARAL. How in good conscience can you endorse such dishonest tactics? I just don’t get it.

What do RP's supporters do that actually qualify for such calumny?

Do you honestly think skewing polls will get your candidate elected? Weren't you embarrassed when the poll in The Des Moines Register had RP up by 58% before the Iowa Straw Poll and he only got 9%? Don't these supporters do more harm to RP's credibility than help?

Oh, so you're indignant that some poll doesn't produce results you like? That the polls are revealed to be completely bogus?

You may not be aware of it, being a Bush-era FReeper, but among FReepers in the pre-Bush era, it is pretty uniform to regard all of these polls as completely bogus tools for the libmedia to manipulate public opinion, not measure it. Of course, if you are taken in by their little shams, then I suppose you can worry over media polls as much as you like. Fine with me. But during the Xlinton era, every Freeper knew: "Live by the polls, die by the polls". We also had extensive posting on the poll-driven style of the Xlinton regime, again, something that FReepers seem to have forgotten. Then we read whining bloggers and columnists on the Right who complain bitterly that the precious online self-selected libmedia web polls are being skewed by some dirty hippies. I'd point out that this technique of destroying the online polls was invented and perfected by FReepers. It's why they call us FReepers, as in "freeping a poll".

Well, I'll stop there. I'm sure you have some supporters of your candidate to chase away from him.

[ejonesie22]

Dude...

[ejonesie22]

Now now, I like a good humus...

[George W. Bush]

Manhood precludes any votes for a paleopacifist worm like paleoPaulie, but you knew that!

Not even if we promise to bring back the Spanish Inquisition?

Aw, c'mon, we know you love that torture and burn-'em-at-the-stake stuff. It's very manly sport, yah?

I'm enjoying watching Fred's commercials today. Nice use of the media to create buzz.

[NavyCanDo]

“Maryland Republican Party’s State Fair booth”

And they have a way of preventing Democrats or Libertarians from casting a vote at the Republican booth?

[Clint N. Suhks]

I'm not sure you can even make the case that I am my brother's keeper, let alone that I am somehow responsible to screen and filter all the various supporters of RP.

You passively supported the RuPaulettes skewing the Maryland Straw poll by calling those candidate supporters who weren't there couch potatoes did you not? Did that make RuPaul's winning the poll with 28% valid when he polls a 3% nationally?

Oh, so you're indignant that some poll doesn't produce results you like? That the polls are revealed to be completely bogus?

Has nothing to do with what I like or not. The RuPaulettes FReeped the Des Moines Register poll to reflect 58% when he only got 9%, those facts are hard and fast. And you can poopoo polls in general but they do reflect a real picture of reality within a margin of error when conducted legitimately. Problem is RuPaulettes are deluded enough to think illegitimate polling will get their candidate elected. That is basically my point and the point I made with my initial post. Good luck to you and your candidate.

[George W. Bush]

And they have a way of preventing Democrats or Libertarians from casting a vote at the Republican booth?

They're heavily armed. They shoot first, ask questions later if they even suspect they've caught some dirty hippie trying to vote for a candidate they don't like.

It's the only way to be sure.

[George W. Bush]

You passively supported the RuPaulettes skewing the Maryland Straw poll by calling those candidate supporters who weren't there couch potatoes did you not? Did that make RuPaul's winning the poll with 28% valid when he polls a 3% nationally?

I would think an otherwise intelligent person as I know you to be would not require an explanation of what straw polls really are.

First and foremost: they are party fundraisers. People pay to hobnob with the party, have a bit of fun, then maybe participate in a straw poll after hearing a few stump speeches from candidates who care enough to show up, rubber chicken and various dishes are consumed by all the victims in attendance.

Therefore, straw polls measure one thing and one thing only: how many activists for various candidates will pay to turn out and support that candidate. Period. End of sentence.

Now, if you want to whine about the results, I suggest you get out your checkbook and go pay to support your candidate just like the RP supporters are doing. To stop us, you have to show up at the straw poll and pay. Is that clear enough for you? Do you now understand what a straw poll is?

Straw polls are not and can never be anything but party fundraisers. They are not pre-primaries or anything of the sort.

Has nothing to do with what I like or not. The RuPaulettes FReeped the Des Moines Register poll to reflect 58% when he only got 9%, those facts are hard and fast. And you can poopoo polls in general but they do reflect a real picture of reality within a margin of error when conducted legitimately. Problem is RuPaulettes are deluded enough to think illegitimate polling will get their candidate elected. That is basically my point and the point I made with my initial post. Good luck to you and your candidate.

I'm proud we're destroying self-selected online polls. I couldn't be happier. Apparently, destroying the credibility of online polls (something libmedia always hated FReepers for) is now heinous at FR if practiced (more successfully) by Ron Paul supporters. In fact, we have almost exhausted public confidence in such libmedia scams entirely. We've even trashed the KOSsacks completely. I think they've given up.

Daily Kos: D-Kos Presidential Primary

I relish doing that to the KOSsacks (Ron Paul, 60% over all the Dim candidates, LOL). They have a huge readership. We've already taught them such polls are utterly useless. Even the Kucinich crowd has given up.

Polls are valuable only if conducted honestly. For those, a campaign pays good money and keeps the real results private since it is a political warfare and intel weapon. I'll leave it to you to work out how honest the libmedia really is when they conduct and pay for all these polls. Should we perhaps start investigating the party affiliations of the staff of the Des Moines Register with a stupid online poll whose destruction is such a terrible thing to you? (Unlike you, I'll bet I could obtain that information. Because we RP supporters have activists on the ground everywhere.) Again, that seems to be your complaint with us. But it's not our fault if no one seems to care much for these other candidates. Get your own candidate, get excited, work for him, organize for him, spend for him, stand in the rain holding signs for him, try to carry him over the finish line. And stop blaming us if your lamer candidate doesn't have a message to inspire such support. It's not our fault. And if Ron Paul wasn't in the race, it wouldn't help you one bit because you'd still have a boring lackluster candidate who can't attract dedicated supporters with his message.

[jmeagan]

******If Paul became the nominee, the RNC would endorse HRC, and over 1/3 of registered Republicans would vote Democrat. Maybe 1 in 5 liberal Democrats might defect to Paul, but that would not matter. Paul though could destroy what is left of the RNC.*****

In case you haven’t noticed, the RNC has been doing a pretty good job of destroying itself. It wasn’t a bunch of moderate right candidates that led to the Republican Revolution in 1994. Of course, we were greatly disappointed when the “moderates” took over the party and gave us demo light. Then our hopes were raised in 2,000 when we had both congress and the presidency. They failed us again. Now they are trying to tell us that we need a “moderate” candidate to beat Hillary. I don’t think so.

No one has every won a first term presidency promising to get us into a war. Generally it is the people promising to get us out or to keep us out of a war who win. Wilson ran for his second term on the slogan, “He kept us out of war.” FDR campaigned in 1940 on an anti war basis. Eisenhower won in 52 because people thought he would get us out of Korea. Nixon won in 68 because he had a secret plan to end the Nam War. Right now 70% of the American people are opposed to the war in Iraq. And to many of them, it is a very important issue. With those kind of demographics, it is hard to see how a pro war candidate can beat an anti war candidate. We have been there for over 4 years, and the anti war sentiment has continually grown.

Now lets look at the candidates:

Giuliani—Pro abortion, pro gay rights. Forget it. He will turn off the Religious right so much that it will be a landslide for the Demos.

Romney—Ditto. The tape of the 1994 debate with Kennedy will cost him the religious right.

Thompson—While he doesn’t turn off the RR, he doesn’t excite them either. His record is too wishy washy to excite many people.

All of the above also have problems with their records on illegal immigrants.

Paul—He will hold the religious right and maybe even energize them. Republicans are the only group in the country that a majority is still in favor of the war. so that will hurt him in the primaries, but anti war feelings are continuing to build. He has been right on illegal immigration, the next most important issue. He will attract union members and the working class once they learn that he would finance the federal government with a “uniform, but not a protective” tariff. If he can get nominated, he will win. Actually winning the nomination will be harder for him than winning the general election. We have a long way to go and only a short time to get there, because of the condensed primary schedule.

[George W. Bush]

In case you haven’t noticed, the RNC has been doing a pretty good job of destroying itself.

Amen. Great post. Apparently, Ron Paul could destroy the RNC, America, the entire planet or even the solar system if left unchecked.

[BlackElk]

As a supporter of the paleosurrendermonkey, you have standing on a CONSERVATIVE website because......?????

[BlackElk]

What's your smoke of choice??? Must be powerful stuff to distort your rationality to that extent. A libertoonian holding the religious right. What a joke! This dope wants to make abortion a matter merely of state's rights. Thanks, but no thanks. Not after thirty four years of 50+ million innocents slaughtered. Since when does a libertoonian want to do anything meaningful against homo marriage????? Certainly paleoPaulie does not want the fedgov to prevent such outrages.

PaleoPaulie may hold some of those who worship at the mosque of the Almighty Dollar but he will have a lot harder time with union members and working class folks. If we had a tariff, why should it NOT be protective???? How about a tariff equal to every nickel saved moving American jobs abroad???? Now THAT would be an attractive idea to many. Your references to "demo light" suggest your membership in the mosque of the Almighty Dollar.

Unionized workers would be just thrilled to hear that paleoPaulie would eliminate progressive taxation altogether and make them pay the same rate as George Soros on consumption taxes whether vale added or "non-protective" tariffs.

PaleoPaulie CAN NOT be nominated at all. If he were nominated, try to tell the rank and file non-Republican voter that it is time to apply the constitution (as seen by paleoPaulie and his paleopals) and abolish Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, AFDC, Federal Housing Subsidies, "education" funding, student loans, student grants, veterans' benefits, and a host of other programs that make up about 80% of the fedbudget so we can abolish taxes on the privileged. I would favor an end to some of those but it is NOT a salable package. If you thinkit is, how many moons are there in your sky? Since the constitution became effective, we have had many wars. I don't know what political rhetoric led up to the elections preceding such wars and you probably don't know either but the wars started in first terms include:

War of 1812: Madison's first term

Mexican War: Polk's first and only term

The Arrow War: Franklin Pierce's only term

The War of the Second Great Rebellion: Lincoln's first term

The Korean War: Truman's First elected term

The Vietnam War: Kennedy's first and only term or Johnson's as you may prefer

The Gulf war: Bush the Elder's only term

The Iraq War: Dubya's first term

Now, you also suggest that "illegal" immigration is the be all and end all of conservative policy. It is not. If it was, paleoPaulie has spoken against the immigration and voted against stopping it. Just like he talks against earmarks and sees to it that they are jammed into appropriations bills that pass lubricated by pork juice for his district as he poses for holy pictures voting against them. Just as he claims to be pro-life, proposes pro-life bills BUT, when the rubber meets the road, wants only the overturn of Roe vs. Wade followed by exclusive state jurisdiction which will guarantee continued Holocaust of babies. Just as he may well claim to support marriage as the union of one man and one woman but NOT if it means actually doing anything to guarantee that Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court homomarriage disease is not crammed down everyone's throat via the "full faith and credit" clause of the constitution.

In foreign policy and military matters, paleoPaulie and his love slaves are neither conservative nor even "moderate." They are leftist antiAmerican antiwar windtunnels. What percentage of those who are in disagreement with Dubya on the war, would prefer that he nuke the SOBs and be done with them instead of fiddling around?

[George W. Bush]

As a supporter of the paleosurrendermonkey, you have standing on a CONSERVATIVE website because......???

It's my seniority date...sonny. LOL. Why should I care that much what some Torquemada lover thinks anyway?

No, some of us have been here so long, I don't think JimRob wants to dump us. Maybe just sentimental. Not that we're immune to bad behavior. I had a 1-day timeout a while back, my first.

To take a more cynical spin, maybe JimRob keeps us around because some of us have contrarian views or offer some original debate points, not just same-old-same-old FoxNews/talk-radio talking points. Or maybe long ago, in a post we don't even recall, JimRob liked something we said. Who knows? For that matter, I think he still lets murraymom post here, so he might keep some of us around just to amuse the inmates. He might keep you around for the same reason, Elk, something for you to consider. You're not particularly conservative after all, more a partisan than an ideologue, as much Catholic as conservative. It takes all kinds, I think. I wrote considerably more earlier but decided it would be unwise to post so much on those topics.

[Zipporah]

The most obvious one, he wants to hide from the Jihad by pretending we are safer via isolation. It's too late, they have for decades declared war on us, attacked us on our shores, and now we are finally taming that hornets nest known as the "middle east". It was a long time in coming too.

You cannot possibly be serious. What planet do you live on?