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To: L.N. Smithee

Well your statement was pretty shallow and your analogy pretty lame and beside the point::
to wit: “It’s like saying that violent crime is uncontrolled because there are cops whose primary job
it is to ticket violators of the speed limit.”
-—We’re in an AIRPORT in this example, dude, which is admittedly a “transportation venue” but that’s where the comparison ends.
Pathetic trolling for anonymous gay sex, which has been
a feature of gay “culture” in most Western societies since forever, is not in any way comparable to “violent crime” thought it ironically is a little closer to violating the speed limit.The fact that you would join the two in one
application shows where your head is at. Neither airports nor our highways are the most common venues for violent crime, though only one with huge blinders on could miss the connection that the worst attack in our history was carried out from four airports at once. The presence of a hapless “vice cop” sitting and waiting for signs that someone, anyone is propositioning strangers for some sexual contact in a public restroom presupposes that if he weren’t there, this restroom like thousands of others would become PERVERSION CENTRAL in no time, with grunting and heaving behind the locked doors of every stall.
And who knows, if we see it or hear it while we’re taking a leak, it could rub off on us!!! OH! THE HORROR!!!! Absurd, but you can conjure those images in your heated mind if you want to.I, like you and the rest of us, have been no doubt in THOUSANDS of restrooms in every possible location, including, probably bars frequiented by gays, and NEVER have I seen ANY sign of “Gay Sex” occurring there. These conceits of yours are really not far at all from the idiot notion that homosexuality has to be challenged as something that doesn’t “deserve to exist”, sort of like , well, you know, the state of Israel.
Yean , yeah, I know, you’re enlightened enough to acknowledge that homosexuality DOES deserve to exist, it just should be carried out in the privacy of one’s home.
Right,the privacy of one’s home, since the case in point here is a US Senator, who is obviously a CLOSETED GAY WHO IS MARRIED, because on the Republican side, that is apparently the way it’s done. Don’t confuse your loathing for the aggressive Gay Agenda, which we all hate, with THIS, merely because the common denominator is “gayness” or “gay behavior”; ONCE MORE, this is a CLOSETED GAY WHO IS MARRIED, and who needs to save face, in the same way that Bill Clinton (another liar) needed to save face as heterosexual adulterer. As I remember vividly from years ago, when the Dems managed to successfully spin the Clinton crimes in the public mind, as only being “about sex”, they inadvertently gave both Clintons more unearned sympathy than any two people in AMerican Political Life, and THAT legacy stays with us to this day.
And ENOUGH ALREADY of the idiotic “pride” Republicans take in “cleaning up their own mess” with “hypocrites” like Larry Craig. All it does is makes them look like the homophobes the Dems delight in painting them as.
The pathetic enterprises of entrapment are not deserving of a society that pretends to be adult.
I rest my case.
For the time being at least. I have to go out and exceed the speed limit. thereby giving the municipality next door some much needed “revenue”.


219 posted on 09/05/2007 6:13:40 AM PDT by supremedoctrine ("Happiness makes up in height for what it lacks in length"---Robert Frost.)
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To: supremedoctrine
The presence of a hapless “vice cop” sitting and waiting for signs that someone, anyone is propositioning strangers for some sexual contact in a public restroom presupposes that if he weren’t there, this restroom like thousands of others would become PERVERSION CENTRAL in no time, with grunting and heaving behind the locked doors of every stall.

Unless you believe Craig's story, you know he went to the MSP airport because he knew he could get some action there. Put on your thinking cap, if you've got one: Think maybe Craig has played footsie before with an unsuspecting traveler in an adjacent stall? Think that traveler wasn't freaked out? Think that traveler didn't speak to security or police about the matter? Think that traveler will avoid MSP if he has a choice? Think he will tell friends and relatives to do the same?

Why do you think the vice cop was there in the first place? Because men just shrugged off being cruised and propositioned in the restroom? No, because there were complaints. Even in San Francisco, where I was born and have lived all my life, public restroom sex is viewed as aberrant behavior by the great majority of citizens. Multiply that amount in Minnesota, which, while a liberal state, isn't Sodom-by-the-Sea.

You apparently aren't aware that the Minneapolis-St. Paul airport is listed on websites dedicated to listing venues for anonymous gay sex. MSP officials are, and don't want anyone to be further deterred from being trapped in the place and being forced to pay exorbitant amounts of money for parking, bottled water, and so-called "Duty Free" items.

And who knows, if we see it or hear it while we’re taking a leak, it could rub off on us!!! OH! THE HORROR!!!! Absurd, but you can conjure those images in your heated mind if you want to.

OK, then, dude, let's state it for the record: If supremedoctrine went into a public restroom to urinate, he wouldn't care a whit if some horny guys were having sex in stall next to him. He's just fine with it.

I, like you and the rest of us, have been no doubt in THOUSANDS of restrooms in every possible location, including, probably bars frequiented by gays, and NEVER have I seen ANY sign of “Gay Sex” occurring there.

So what's your point? That it doesn't happen? Not even you believe that.

These conceits of yours are really not far at all from the idiot notion that homosexuality has to be challenged as something that doesn’t “deserve to exist”, sort of like , well, you know, the state of Israel.

If there's a parallel dumber than that, I have not yet read it. Congrats on finding the most frivolous reference to Israel I have ever heard.

Yean (sic), yeah, I know, you’re enlightened enough to acknowledge that homosexuality DOES deserve to exist, it just should be carried out in the privacy of one’s home.

All sexual activity should be carried out in the privacy of one's home. Duh! The rest of us don't wanna watch!

Right,the privacy of one’s home, since the case in point here is a US Senator, who is obviously a CLOSETED GAY WHO IS MARRIED, because on the Republican side, that is apparently the way it’s done.

If you choose to believe some historical revisionists, Abraham Lincoln -- the first Republican president -- was a homosexual. He is known as one of the greatest Presidents in the history of this nation. He wouldn't have been President if he actually was a homosexual and came out of the closet. He probably would have amounted to nothing at all. But -- once again, if it is true – he kept his feelings to himself, got himself a wife, faked it convincingly, and is an American icon.

Want a more modern example? Try Malcolm Forbes. The billionaire publisher/real estate magnate flew well under the radar until after his death.

Don’t confuse your loathing for the aggressive Gay Agenda, which we all hate, with THIS, merely because the common denominator is “gayness” or “gay behavior”;

I have no confusion about what I believe. What I believe makes sense. You are confused because you wrongly think you know what I believe, and it makes no sense to you.

ONCE MORE, this is a CLOSETED GAY WHO IS MARRIED, and who needs to save face, in the same way that Bill Clinton (another liar) needed to save face as heterosexual adulterer. As I remember vividly from years ago, when the Dems managed to successfully spin the Clinton crimes in the public mind, as only being “about sex”, they inadvertently gave both Clintons more unearned sympathy than any two people in AMerican Political Life, and THAT legacy stays with us to this day.

Democrats commonly get away with sex scandals because they (and their supporters in the MSM) practice situational ethics. For example: in the early nineties, moderate GOP Senator Robert Packwood was accused of sexual harassment, and was nailed to the wall. The Democrats demanded that Packwood’s diaries be released to the general public, with his personal accounts of encounters with females working in his employ. Then came the allegations of Paula Jones, and Clinton’s deposition, which the Dems said should remain secret, and they cried foul over the release of Monica Lewinsky and others’ Grand Jury testimony.

When it comes to sex scandals, the Dems are never miss a field goal because they move the goalposts to wherever the ball is kicked.

And ENOUGH ALREADY of the idiotic “pride” Republicans take in “cleaning up their own mess” with “hypocrites” like Larry Craig. All it does is makes them look like the homophobes the Dems delight in painting them as.

I think the fact that you see things the Dems’ way says more about you than it says about Republicans.

The pathetic enterprises of entrapment are not deserving of a society that pretends to be adult. I rest my case.

It’s about time.

You may want to remember that our society is not made up exclusively of adults. Remember the vivid scenario you painted of “men grunting and heaving in every stall”? Tell me you want your son – or any little boy you love - to witness anything that even remotely looks like that.

I have to go out and exceed the speed limit. thereby giving the municipality next door some much needed “revenue”.

Hope you don ‘t die or kill someone in the process. And stay away from those rest stops.

291 posted on 09/06/2007 6:28:12 PM PDT by L.N. Smithee ("Norman Hsu:" Chinese for "Abramoff")
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