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To: calcowgirl

80% of the republican platform? Please, thats nonsense to make such a claim.

While some social conservatives hate Rudy, and certainly he’s not the most social conservative guy out there, to claim he disagrees with 80% of the platform is nonsense.

Might want to go read the entire Republican Platform as adopted in 2004 before you make such ludicrous claims:
http://www.gop.com/media/2004platform.pdf

Well over 1/3 of the document is dedicated to winning the war on Terror, so even if Rudy scored a ZERO on the rest (which he doesn’t), he’d be at 66% disagreement, another 1/3 of the document he’s hardly in disagreement across the board... so you are down to even if zero on everything else would be 33% disagreement, which he’s not.

Based on the adopted platform, there is maybe 10%-20% where you can claim Rudy doesn’t support the republican platform, which would be more spin than reality, and would be primarily on social issues, not core party principles.

The nonsensical claim that Rudy isn’t a republican is just inanity, hard social conservatives are in the primary, and they are not getting above a few percentage points in the polls.... So, those who are completely motivated by them need to organize better, or pick better people to run. Not make outlandish and completely false and ignorant claims about those who are running and winning.


81 posted on 09/04/2007 11:29:42 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: HamiltonJay
While Mayor, Rudy cut corners on economic as well as social issues. However, it would be a hard sell to suggest that any Democrat could have cracked down on petty crime as well as felony crime , like Guliani did. Plus, most of his policies were very favorable with the middle class NYers (ie Staten Islanders) in implementation as well as rhetoric (all Koch was good for).

My biggest worry is that he'll lose a big chunk of the 2nd Amendment crowd and the pro-lifers and Federalists, before the election. In that case, if he wins anyway, he won't give 2 craps about the base and we're back in McCain-like situation where the President doesent feel he has to even pretend to be a Republican any more. I dont think a "conservative" party can survive that (not should it).

83 posted on 09/04/2007 11:51:23 AM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: HamiltonJay
Giuliani/Clinton/Dem vs. GOP Platform Comparison
Issue
Giuliani Clinton Dem Platform GOP Platform
Abortion on Demand Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Partial Birth Abortion Supports
Opposed
NY ban
Supports Supports Opposes
Overturning Roe v. Wade Opposes Opposes Opposes Supports
Taxpayer Funded Abortions Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Embryonic Stem Cell Research Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Federal Marriage Amendment Opposes Opposes Opposes
Defined at
state level
Supports
Gay Domestic Partnership/
Civil Unions
Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Openly Gay Military Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Defense of Marriage Act Opposes Opposes Opposes Supports
Amnesty for Illegal Aliens Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Special Path to Citizenship
for Illegal Aliens
Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Tough Penalties for
Employers of Illegal Aliens
Opposes Opposes Opposes Supports
Sanctuary Cities/
Ignoring Immigration Law
Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Protecting 2nd Amendment Opposes
Opposes Opposes
Supports bans
Supports
Confiscating Guns Supports
Confiscated
as mayor.
Even bragged.
Supports Supports
Supports bans
Opposes
'Assault' Weapons Ban Supports Supports Supports  
Frivolous Lawsuits
Against Gun Makers
Supports
Filed One
Himself
Supports   Opposes
Gun Registration/Licenses Supports Supports   Opposes
War in Afghanistan Supports Supports
Voted for it
Supports Supports
War in Iraq Supports Varies
Voted for it
Supports
Weak support
Supports
Patriot Act Supports Supports
Voted for it
2001 & 2006
Opposes Supports



85 posted on 09/04/2007 11:54:48 AM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: HamiltonJay
While some social conservatives hate Rudy, and certainly he’s not the most social conservative guy out there...

Well, I don't consider myself a "social conservative" and my opposition to Rudy is more on fiscal issues and his LIBERAL record, than anything else.

You folks who want to paint everyone that is offended by his assault on gun rights, his appointment of liberal judges, his autocratic leadership style, etc. as "Hard Right" are losing that propaganda war. The more people look, the more they find reasons to reject this Trojan Horse.

The same arguments were made to sell Schwarzenegger. Thanks a lot for that. You folks should be proud. (NOT!)

89 posted on 09/04/2007 12:07:29 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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