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To: Will88

America as a nation has two birthplaces - Lexington on the battlefield, and Philadelphia in government.

Jamestown, Plymouth Rock, St. Augustine, Santa Fe, New Orleans, etc. are simply places of settlement.


66 posted on 09/04/2007 5:52:22 PM PDT by Andrew Byler
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To: Andrew Byler

Once again you shift the discussion.

Say what you want, but the recent 400th anniversary of Jamestown was generally considered a celebration of America’s birthplace.

Now you have multiple birthplaces, one for military, one for government. What other birthplaces do you recognize?


67 posted on 09/04/2007 6:28:21 PM PDT by Will88
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Here’s another opinion on the subject. Note we are a part of the USA and a not a part of Mexico the Caribbean traditions, or any other Spanish tradition.

“The settlement of St. Augustine in 1565 followed on the heels of an ambitious exploration campaign by the Spanish, as De Leon, Balboa and Magellan discovered and claimed vast territories in the Western Hemisphere for the Spanish Crown. At Spain’s zenith under Phillip II, the Spanish made claims to the better part of the New World.

But the vision for “New Spain” never materialized in North America.

While we have the Spanish to thank for the introduction of horses, mules and a unique architectural style, Spain’s settlement at St. Augustine – while predating Jamestown’s by 42 years – had no direct impact in shaping America’s great heritage of liberty under God that would later be championed at Jamestown and Plymouth.

In fact, had Phillip II’s Navy not fallen to the English in 1588, and had England not taken a more active role in colonization – thanks to men of vision such as Richard Hakluyt – America might well have become another Third World country.

It is also important to note that St. Augustine began with the massacre of French Huguenots in Florida (and the Huguenot colony of Ft. Caroline predated the Spanish settlement) and the very annihilation of the Reformation legacy later introduced to North America at Jamestown and incorporated into our nation’s founding documents.

Our Founding Fathers drew from the legacy of Jamestown, not St. Augustine. It was Jamestown, not St. Augustine, that brought the formulative Reformation doctrines of liberty under the law of God and of representative government to the American people. In short, St. Augustine’s legacy directly opposes the great heritage Americans have come to treasure.”

Seems you forgot to credit the Huguenot colony. Thank God we’re not part of the Spanish heritage in America:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55856


68 posted on 09/04/2007 6:49:15 PM PDT by Will88
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To: Andrew Byler

Here’s another opinion on the subject. Note we are a part of the USA and a not a part of Mexico the Caribbean traditions, or any other Spanish tradition.

“The settlement of St. Augustine in 1565 followed on the heels of an ambitious exploration campaign by the Spanish, as De Leon, Balboa and Magellan discovered and claimed vast territories in the Western Hemisphere for the Spanish Crown. At Spain’s zenith under Phillip II, the Spanish made claims to the better part of the New World.

But the vision for “New Spain” never materialized in North America.

While we have the Spanish to thank for the introduction of horses, mules and a unique architectural style, Spain’s settlement at St. Augustine – while predating Jamestown’s by 42 years – had no direct impact in shaping America’s great heritage of liberty under God that would later be championed at Jamestown and Plymouth.

In fact, had Phillip II’s Navy not fallen to the English in 1588, and had England not taken a more active role in colonization – thanks to men of vision such as Richard Hakluyt – America might well have become another Third World country.

It is also important to note that St. Augustine began with the massacre of French Huguenots in Florida (and the Huguenot colony of Ft. Caroline predated the Spanish settlement) and the very annihilation of the Reformation legacy later introduced to North America at Jamestown and incorporated into our nation’s founding documents.

Our Founding Fathers drew from the legacy of Jamestown, not St. Augustine. It was Jamestown, not St. Augustine, that brought the formulative Reformation doctrines of liberty under the law of God and of representative government to the American people. In short, St. Augustine’s legacy directly opposes the great heritage Americans have come to treasure.”

Seems you forgot to credit the Huguenot colony. Thank God we’re not part of the Spanish heritage in America:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55856


69 posted on 09/04/2007 7:09:24 PM PDT by Will88
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