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To: theothercheek

Is Irak, a country that was liberated by the US a western style democracy? Is Afghanistan, a country that was liberated by the US a western style democracy? The “nation building” if we orientate ourselves on existing “western style democracies” in that area was not very successfull so far. All pre-war estimations about the learning aptitude of Muslums in Iraq and Afghanistan were wrong and what should have turned out as a example of freedom is a death-trap of collective cretinism in the meantime.

We should be happy that the Turks found a way to canalize their weird religion into privacy trough a quite secular system. It is for sure not perfect and far from our standarts, but Turkey provides a quite free platform to live in the ME. Together with Israel it is de facto the only place there where the individual has some rights. Therefore I think Turkey could be the example for other muslim nations. I doubt that we westerners will overcome this false religion. Arabs, Persians and Turks will continue to believe into their weird and funny Mohammad or whatever is his name. Therefore we have to look for secular gouvernment systems we can deal with. It is indeed possible to deal with Turkey but it is de facto impossible to deal with theocratic Irak or Afghanistan in the long turn. Not to speak about Iran, Syria, Pakistan etc. etc. pp.

This is something that should be understood soon.

P.S.

I do not care about headscarfs or other muslum BS as long as it happens in privacy.


4 posted on 09/03/2007 10:04:09 AM PDT by Atlantic Bridge (In varieatate concordia!)
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To: Atlantic Bridge

The headscarves are a public manifestation of Islamofascism. Turkey’s religious repression happens in private. Coverts from Islam are jailed (and in some cases brutally murdered, as those bible publishing company employees earlier this year); three Catholic prists have been murdered (one while he was knelt in prayer) because many Turks believe that Christian charity is given for the purpose of buying conversions; Armenian and Greek Christians are not allowed to build, own and maintain churches (and in many areas of Turkey Armenians must hide their identities by worshipping a t mosques). This is your idea of a democracy?


5 posted on 09/03/2007 10:09:41 AM PDT by theothercheek ("Unless we stand for something, we shall fall for anything." - U.S. Senate Chaplain Peter Marshall)
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