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Don't frighten the horses: What Larry Craig tells conservatives about ourselves.
vanity | September 1, 2007 | Nathanbedford

Posted on 08/31/2007 3:32:33 PM PDT by nathanbedford

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To: tpaine
As a constitutional conservative I distinguish between natural rights which Tom Paine vouchsafed to us two and a half centuries ago and explicit constitutional rights. We have an explicit constitutional right to bear arms. We do not have an explicit constitutional right to use drugs. Therefore I see the power of the state to legislate or prohibit the latter to be far greater than its power to regulate the former. I do not see this as a slippery slope and I do not see it as a compromise of freedom. When I deplore the unwisdom of a prohibition against drug use, I think that is an extension of freedom. Tom I think you're putting the wrong end of the telescope to your eye.


121 posted on 08/31/2007 8:04:54 PM PDT by nathanbedford ("I like to legislate. I feel I've done a lot of good." Sen. Robert Byrd)
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To: Cogadh na Sith
Drink some strong black coffee and ping me in the morning.


122 posted on 08/31/2007 8:08:21 PM PDT by nathanbedford ("I like to legislate. I feel I've done a lot of good." Sen. Robert Byrd)
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To: nathanbedford

“Just what did he do that was so disorderly?”

You would not be the least confused about this matter, the way you are, if you had a 15 year-old son in the stall next to that b******. You would fully understand the disorderliness of it.


123 posted on 08/31/2007 8:09:20 PM PDT by the Original Dan Vik
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To: the Original Dan Vik
Since it is so blatantly obvious perhaps you will kindly make it explicit for me exactly what he did that is "disorderly?"


124 posted on 08/31/2007 8:11:51 PM PDT by nathanbedford ("I like to legislate. I feel I've done a lot of good." Sen. Robert Byrd)
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To: nathanbedford
Drink some strong black coffee and ping me in the morning.

No, really: What does a conservative taking a name like Nathan Bedford and using his likeness in every stinking post say about conservatism?

What? We don't like black folk?

You are the last person in the world who should be lecturing conservatives on appearances!

125 posted on 08/31/2007 8:13:15 PM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (Gen X: I'll be the 'Junior Guy' until I'm 70.)
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To: Cogadh na Sith
Read my "about" page and ping me in the morning.


126 posted on 08/31/2007 8:15:15 PM PDT by nathanbedford ("I like to legislate. I feel I've done a lot of good." Sen. Robert Byrd)
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To: nathanbedford

It wasn’t read as typo the first time I read it because you have taken a simple issue and made vastly too complicated. Thus, I read it as if every word counted which, in fact, turned out not to be true. get some sleep, I’ll try and digest your essay tomorrow.


127 posted on 08/31/2007 8:17:21 PM PDT by Rudder
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To: nathanbedford
Read my "about" page and ping me in the morning.

So your handle means whatever you want it to mean, and what conservatives say about Craig means whatever they want it to mean.

Which moots your point.

Maybe I'll change my handle to Heinrich Himmler and use my "about" page to argue out of it: "No really. I'm just a WWII buff!"

128 posted on 08/31/2007 8:23:16 PM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (Gen X: I'll be the 'Junior Guy' until I'm 70.)
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To: Cogadh na Sith
Bugger off


129 posted on 08/31/2007 8:25:50 PM PDT by nathanbedford ("I like to legislate. I feel I've done a lot of good." Sen. Robert Byrd)
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To: nathanbedford

How about this. The fact that a grown man would cruise for sex in a public restroom is just plain low life behavior. We don’t need this from our elected officials. You can do it all you want on your own time, if that’s the case you need to go home and let someone else do the job of runnning our country.


130 posted on 08/31/2007 8:26:21 PM PDT by semaj (Just shoot the bastards! * Your results may vary. Void where prohibited.)
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To: nathanbedford
From your 'about page': The good must start somewhere. How then should we judge the historical Nathan Bedford Forrest? I think the same principles should apply in judging him that we applied to Thomas Jefferson.

Cuz our forefathers are Klansmen?

Really, you are the last person who should be lecturing freepers on apperances.

131 posted on 08/31/2007 8:27:25 PM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (Gen X: I'll be the 'Junior Guy' until I'm 70.)
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To: nathanbedford
just what did he plead guilty to?

He plead guilty to the behaviors he committed being so out of order that they were disturbing, or alarming to anyone in the bathroom.

His actual plea:

3. I am pleading guilty to the charge of Disorderly Conduct as alleged because June 11, 2007, within the property or jurisdiction of the Metropolitan Airports Commission. Hennep_n County, specifically in the restroom of the North Star Crossing in the Lindbergh Terminal, I did the following: Engaged in conduct which I knew or should have known tended to arouse alarm or resentment of others which was physical (versus verbal) in nature.

This is the second of the two charges against him. The first charge was specifically a peeping charge which is a gross misdemeanor. This involves peeping at people when they are in situations where they could be undressed. There is an intent component of that charge which may have been harder for the police to prove. For whatever reason, the authorities did not pursue it.

Larry Craig just plead guilty to his sum total of actions being disorderly and disturbing or alarming to people.

132 posted on 08/31/2007 8:28:27 PM PDT by Waryone (Constantly amazed by society's downhill slide.)
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To: semaj
Works for me and I suspect it will also work for his constituents in Idaho which is how the political side of this affair should be handled.

But on the legal side I don't think we want to make being a low life criminal behavior. Likewise cruising for sex Absent overt acts.


133 posted on 08/31/2007 8:30:32 PM PDT by nathanbedford ("I like to legislate. I feel I've done a lot of good." Sen. Robert Byrd)
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To: Waryone
I did the following: Engaged in conduct which I knew or should have known tended to arouse alarm or resentment of others which was physical (versus verbal) in nature.

Tended to arouse... resentment.

Does that include picking your nose? Popping zits onto the mirror? Washing your underwear in the sink?

Or does it mean tapping one's shoe or touching the bottom of the wall which divides two stalls?

I think we all better be much more careful in the men's room from now on one never knows if some super sensitive lurker might get a resentment-oh I forgot I'm protected because I'm only guilty if I should have known that a lurker would get a resentment.

Is this the kind of criminal law that you as a conservative want to have enforced?


134 posted on 08/31/2007 8:40:08 PM PDT by nathanbedford ("I like to legislate. I feel I've done a lot of good." Sen. Robert Byrd)
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To: nathanbedford
But on the legal side I don't think we want to make being a low life criminal behavior. Likewise cruising for sex Absent overt acts.

So the cop would actually have to get buggered in order to police lewd behavior in the state-owned restrooms!?

That's gonna cut down on recruiting....

135 posted on 08/31/2007 8:42:51 PM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (Gen X: I'll be the 'Junior Guy' until I'm 70.)
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To: Jim Noble
Those public health issues (which are real) are IDENTICAL in the privacy of one's own home.

I don't know about that. How does one go about seeking anonymous sex in one's home?

136 posted on 08/31/2007 8:49:15 PM PDT by Minn (Here is a realistic picture of the prophet: ----> ([: {()
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To: Mamzelle

Legal issues aside, Senator Craig knew what we’re missing, and that is even if he fought the charge and won, the media would destroy him. His only hope of survival was a cover up. Not because he did anything wrong, but because he is on the wrong side of politics to weather the drubbing that the left wing media would subject him to. If these issues were purley legal, the Clintons would have been jailed in Bill’s first term. The MSM is masterful at turning happenstance into a crisis and a scandal into a trivial distraction. Senator Craig was destroyed by a partisan press, the same press that is smoothing over the funneling of dirty money into Democrat coffers by an indicted criminal. Ask yourself: could a Republican President have survived Vince Foster’s death, the cattle futures scheme, White Water, Lewinsky, FBI file-gate, Anita Broderick, Jennifer Flowers, etcetra, etcetra??


137 posted on 08/31/2007 8:50:34 PM PDT by Spok
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To: Minn
How does one go about seeking anonymous sex in one's home?

Well, sometimes it's like I don't even know my wife.

138 posted on 08/31/2007 8:51:09 PM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (Gen X: I'll be the 'Junior Guy' until I'm 70.)
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To: nathanbedford

I know I don’t have to worry about it. I’ve used public restrooms as most people have and have never had to worry about my actions being considered disorderly.

Not everyone can say that. Those who can’t seem to figure that the only right they have is to their own stall need to be very afraid.

It’s time for people to go about using the bathroom without worrying about peeping toms, roaming feet, or rush-in hands.


139 posted on 08/31/2007 8:53:07 PM PDT by Waryone (Constantly amazed by society's downhill slide.)
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To: nathanbedford

Thank God for the police.
Thank God that sex of any kind is not permitted in public restrooms. It should be stamped out everywhere.
Thank God Craig is resigning. He does not deserve his office, he is not needed, he is not wanted.
It’s true that no-fault divorce is more harmfull to marriage and this country than gays. So what? We should oust leaders who support no-fault divorce or gays. Both are disgusting, opposition to one is not diminished by opposition to the other.


140 posted on 08/31/2007 8:54:58 PM PDT by Theophilus (Nothing can make Americans safer than to stop aborting them.)
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